Will California Solve Problems or Quit?
The debate over how to proceed on the high speed rail project is, at root, a debate between quitters and problem solvers. Between those who would just have us give up on the idea of doing something to build a better future and those who would rather work to figure out how we get it done.
The problem solvers have been racking up some successes lately, as the Sacramento Bee editorial page notes today in a strong defense of the high speed rail project:
California’s high-speed rail project has made significant progress in the past three months. That came through at a state Senate hearing last Monday.
Ridership estimates have been revised to be more conservative.
Costs have been revised upward – assuming higher inflation levels and building a 22 percent contingency reserve into each phase of construction. With these more honest numbers, real discussions can begin on what is possible at each stage….
The project has $6 billion to complete the initial 130-mile backbone in the Central Valley – with $3.3 billion from the federal government and sale of $2.7 billion from California’s voter-approved Proposition 1A bonds, subject to legislative sign-off.
The rail authority also is working better with local commuter rail systems to create a “blended” system with high-speed rail – from Caltrain in the Bay Area to Metrolink in Los Angeles. The new business plan calls for early investments in regional rail using $950 million in Proposition 1A bonds.
These are all positive signs and the right thing for a Democratic legislature to do would be to not only encourage that to continue, but to help make it happen. The legislature could find ways to speed the project’s construction and lower costs by looking at regulatory reforms. It could also release funds to help the California High Speed Rail Authority staff up in the coming months.
The Sacramento Bee closes on a strong note:
In the end, this is about confidence – willingness to embrace engineering and financial challenges, and to tolerate risk. Rather than issue a premature requiem for high-speed rail, we should be figuring out how to make it work.
That’s the right attitude to take. California faces many, many, many problems right now. Ignoring them and saying “gee, it’s too hard” won’t do anything but make matters worse. California needs problem-solvers, not quitters and excuse makers. Let’s see which path the legislature decides to follow.

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Apparently the Authority won’t be selecting a new PR firm
http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/assets/0/152/232/323/5a52c5cf-3e11-46f0-801f-d87350aa72e5.pdf
joe Reply:
December 11th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
I focused on the above: The CAHSRA will bring PR work in-house, i.e. new hires or transfers/details from other state agencies.
Peter Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
About flipping time they bring some in-house people in. Stop the contractor party.
Nathanael Reply:
December 13th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Indeed, excellent move.
peninsula Reply:
December 11th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Elizabeth, on the topic of ridership- does Carrd still believe the “$40/gallon” analysis is correct view of what CHSRA used in the ridership model, and if so has that analysis been distributed to state and federal legislators, peer reviewers, media, state attorney general, etc. And if it has, are you getting any feedback on that?
Elizabeth Reply:
December 11th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
yep. meeting soon with Authority to discuss and will take steps from there.
Emma Reply:
December 11th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
You have to admit. They are trying real hard to destroy their own project.
Sobering Reality Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Its not that they won’t select one, they can’t even get bids.
Two words: Epic Fail.
Fewer still on board with bullet train
Here is a much more realistic editorial:
http://www.desertdispatch.com/opinion/billion-12090-vote-project.html
“Last week was a bad week for California’s touted high-speed rail project. That made it a good week for Californians, particularly for taxpayers.”
“The Legislature should put this matter back on the ballot, where voters assuredly would kill it.”
StevieB Reply:
December 11th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood went to Washington to share with House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee the good news about American high-speed rail.
“From here, the future is bright. During the next six months, more than $1.1 billion of new job-creating construction projects will begin.”
“And we’re committed to helping the people of California achieve their vision for high-speed rail, too. It’s not a cheap project, but it’s an essential one. And we are in it for the long haul.”
morris brown Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 5:25 am
If last week was bad, this week promised to be much worse, with the hearing on Thursday and OCTA about to take a position…
See:
http://voiceofoc.org/countywide/this_just_in/article_2976458c-2487-11e1-962c-001871e3ce6c.html
Tom McNamara Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Actually you have it backwards. OCTA’s defection indicates that MTC and Metro are close to striking a deal to go forward with the IOS, probably North to San Jose.
If I had to guess, the framework of the deal will have Metrolink extend its San Bernardino Line to Victorville on certain days of the week to connect with Desert Xpress. That’s significant because no Orange County line would get connecting traffic on its systems, nor would there be a need to triple track the ROW between LA and Fullerton. They would lose, and MTC and Metro would win.
Paulus Magnus Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
How in the world do you get that nonsensical idea? OCTA criticizing CAHSRA, as it rightly deserves, doesn’t affect anything in IOS-South since that stops just north of LA. And LA-Fullerton is already being triple-tracked. San Jose’s batshit demands are a far greater obstacle to IOS-North than OCTA criticizing, in line with all the world HSR operators who have given feedback, is to IOS-South.
Tom McNamara Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
I don’t think the idea is that nonsensical.
BART and MTC are eager to justify big extension projects in San Jose (and the Peninsula) and Livermore (and ultimately Stockton). IOS North gives them cover to do just that because BART also wants to extend the Altamont Corridor Express service to Merced.
Meanwhile, if we assume that Desert Xpress gets its federal loan, I think it very possible that BNSF will allow a few runs on the Cajon Pass either by DX or Metrolink to allow passengers to go from Union Station to Victorville. The key here is that Metrolink is a reimbursement funding system. Local providers that serve Metrolink stations give passengers free connections in exchange for being reimbursed by Metro. There are probably many cities in Orange County that would love that revenue, but if their line doesn’t get access to Cajon, it doesn’t matter.
Sobering Reality Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:55 am
After seeing his responses to some of my other posts, nonsensical is the norm for him.
The current hand-ringing about CHSRA and the project in general is a classic case of the voting public getting nervous over a project that was approved in 2008 and it will be nearly four years before the first shovel of dirt is dug. When voters approve a bond they want to see the fruits of their commitment. CHSRA needs to move on that first portion of the project. Once the public sees something productive happen (not spending millions on a PR firm) then many of the qualms about the project will dissipate. The last three plus years have given the “nervous nellies” too much time to fret and stew. It is time to get the environmental reviews completed, perform the engineering and put people to work.
Peter Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 6:29 am
+1
Excellent assessment of the current status.
OT : commercial start for the new Rhin-Rhone TGV line yesterday.
Although it is the first region-to-region HSL in France, it will most probably be a success ; there are already 500 000 booked trips.
For those of you who are interested in technical and construction details, this line’s RFF site is a mine :
Go to http://www.lgvrhinrhone.com, click on “enter”, then click on “La branche Est”, then click on “videos”, then, bottom right “toutes les videos”, and Ali Baba’s cavern opens! I particularly recommend the “les équipements ferroviaires” video ; ok, it’s in French, but you can clearly follow the unfolding of operations ; every step is showed, it’s wonderful.
Emma Reply:
December 11th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
That being said, I still can’t imagine that Amtrak Acela Express has almost no web presence. Almost all high speed trains in Europe have a separate website to attract customers and make booking simpler. But, no. Of course there is not a single dime in the billion dollar Amtrak fund to set up a smallish website. Maybe it’s good that they haven’t because they probably would have messed it up.
I also can’t believe that you can’t book a seat for Shinkansen online. They require you to buy the pass from a vending machine in Japan which only supports Japanese of course. Smart move, JR…
I have been living in the Rhein-Ruhr area in Germany and had the privilege to see several high speed trains (ICE, TGV and Thalys) terminate in Cologne and a whooping 5 high peed trains in Brussels (ICE NL, ICE Ger, Thalys, TGV, Eurostar). That was back in 2006.
You cannot tell me that the project failed because of NIMBYs because I have seen them in Europe and they were far worse over there despite the fact that there are far more people using public transit. If HSR makes it back to the ballot next year, this project will be history. If it doesn’t, CHSRA might be able to get away with the $98 billion project, assuming the average citizen isn’t bookkeeping every time they ask for more funding.
D. P. Lubic Reply:
December 11th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
“I also can’t believe that you can’t book a seat for Shinkansen online. They require you to buy the pass from a vending machine in Japan which only supports Japanese of course. Smart move, JR”–Emma
Well, for all the hand-wringing over Amtrak’s foibles, it looks like they aren’t alone, at least for a little bit of the time.
Just a reminder that we’re all humans around here. . .
Donk Reply:
December 11th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
Huh, you just have to go to Amtrak.com and it is pretty easy. Why do they need a dedicated system for booking the Acela train? I like the way it is, this way you have the choice to spend $ for the regional or $$$ for the Acela.
Maybe your problem is with marketing? I wouldn’t know since I don’t live on the east coast. They do a pretty good job marketing the Pacific Surfliner down here in SoCal. Billboards are ubiquitous from Santa Barbara to San Diego, you see ads on tv and even at Dodger games. I would prefer that the booking system was combined with Metrolink and Coaster, rather than separated further from the other Amtrak services.
Mike Jones Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
I too like the Amtrak site, with fares and timetables for all Amtrak services (buses and trains) combined. The German Rail (DB Bahn) is also effective, and both allow online booking. In contrast the SNCF (French rail) site is all brands, total confusion. The same goes increasingly for rail travel in Europe- brands!
J. Wong Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 9:29 am
I bought Shinkansen here in the U.S. through a Japanese travel agency in San Francisco. Also, they do have agents at the stations in Japan where you can buy a ticket and most agents know English pretty well.
D. Swift Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 11:52 am
“I also can’t believe that you can’t book a seat for Shinkansen online. They require you to buy the pass from a vending machine in Japan which only supports Japanese of course. Smart move, JR…”
The internet in general is taking longer to take off as a thing in Japan because internet-capable cellphones became ubiquitous much earlier than in the US. You can definitely book Shinkansen tickets on your phone.
The second part is incorrect. Shinkansen ticket machines have a clearly-marked “English” button and are extremely easy to use.
Andre Peretti Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 5:39 am
The Rhine-Rhone LGV branch isn’t meant to remain region-to-region since it will eventually link to eastern and northern Europe.
One city that is particularly happy with the Rhine-Rhone LGV is Belfort, where Alstom builds high-speed trains. It had to wait until 2011 to be serviced by the trains it manufactures.
Without a TGV link the region was becoming a backwater. The situation is now being reversed as the local highly-skilled workforce is attracting investors, notably from neighbouring Switzerland, like Tag Heuer and Swatch.
The TGV is just helping a trend now timidly starting in Europe: re-sourcing precision engineering back home. Many industrialists are now finding that outsourcing to China wasn’t as profitable as anticipated. They have calculated that a French skilled worker is 5 to 10 times more productive than a hastily trained Chinese countryman, with far fewer items returned to the factory under warranty. Rising oil prices will also make transport from China more expensive.
Thus, local skilled labour + efficient regional links may be a winning solution for the future.
Nathanael Reply:
December 13th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Russia is trying to counter that “rising oil prices” issue by transporting goods from China via an electrified Trans-Siberian Railway.
It’s still more expensive than oil-dependent shipping is now, though, so this will put a cap on the rise in the cost of China-Europe shipping, rather than stop that price rise right now.
The trend of moving precision engineering back home is more important for the US, because we are pretty much unable to get a railroad connection from China (Russia’s plans for a Bering Strait railroad notwithstanding).
Alon Levy Reply:
December 13th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
The US can get cheap ocean shipping still. The problem is speed, not fuel consumption.
In the politically motivated landscape that is the current politics of this nation, where we have been driven to an ultimate dichotomy between any given question, where anything can be answered with a simple yes or no (that is either something will happen with great success or will fail miserably, for example); has anyone discussed or even attempted to find a middle ground for high speed rail in California. For the past 30 or so years, California has been on a collision course with high speed rail and has yet to find the wherewithal or political (or financial courage, given our current monetary problems) to move any version of this project forward. The question is not whether we should build a rapid statewide electrically powered transit system, but how and when this should be completed. As a transit activist, even one who has adamantly disagreed with the choices made by the CAHSR authority (Pacheco v. Altamont, Tejon v. Tehachapi, stilt-a-rail BART engineering v. sensible at grade options), is the endless fragmentation of rail supporters a healthy and politically advantageous strategy against all who assail progress (NIMBYs, Oil Lobbyists, old people who are Luddites, etc.). Thankfully blogs like this exist for public discussion about a project to change the future of California; but while the Robert Cruickshank’s of the world may remain completely optimistic about this future progress (making some of us wonder if he is just an official PR mouthpiece of the authority itself), his continuous coverage can hopefully inspire this essential piece of the democratic process, vigorous public debate, and keep the ball rolling a hopefully worthwhile project. It is not a question of whether California (or the United States in general) will join the modern world, but when, and I can only hope that it will happen soon enough so I can enjoy it while still being a young man.
D. P. Lubic Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
“. . .[he]. . . can hopefully inspire this essential piece of the democratic process, vigorous public debate, and keep the ball rolling for a hopefully worthwhile project.”–Tim
Thank you, Tim; that’s why Alon, Clem, myself, and others put up the things we do here (along with sharing history for fun in my case).
Off topic, I’m afraid, but fun for us of the old steam persuasion (including Synonomouse, Spokker, and no doubt others on both sides of the fence)–and just too enjoyable not to share–a couple of steam excursion public relation films from the former steam program of Norfolk Southern Railway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPOz_i38GQA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeuPEE-Meso
Sometimes we have to step back, look back, take a deep breath, and look and step forward again. . .
Although Robert is quick to use the “it’s a choice, not a referendum” framework that Obama will cling to in 2012, CAHSR is really a struggle about labor v. capital.
Not in an absolute sense, but as way to see that we have expended considerable effort and money over the last few decades to enhance the power of capital in our society. Most of it has come at the expense of the value of labor in that same economy. That’s played out inordinately well in part because of demographics, but all good things come to an end.
Thus, it’s crucial to note that the pendulum is swinging back to labor’s favor for numerous reasons (most notably because of … demographics). HSR is an important tool to increase the mobility of the nation’s workforce and thus, become more efficient and prosperous in terms of production.
That’s the linkage that no one from the White House down has made clear and will have to succeed in the battle of ideas .
(Oh, and the fact that the GOP continues to fawn over a huge, transnational pipeline that will create “jobs” despite refusing to invest a dime in passenger rail….)
Nathanael Reply:
December 13th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Nice comment. Thank you.
California High-Speed Rail – Conspicuous Conservation?
Reality Check Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Corrected link: California High-Speed Rail – Conspicuous Conservation?
Andre Peretti Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
And in London you have to pay congestion tax, £8 ($12.5) a day.
Paris has opted for the carrot rather than the stick. Buses and taxis have dedicated lanes. Many streets are two-way for transit but only one-way for private cars. Traffic lights are more synchronized with transit than with the rest of traffic.
Once you have realized that using transit is much faster than driving, you decide “of your own free will” to leave your car at home.
egk Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Why would you get off at Union station if you were going to drive for an hour from it? Anybody taking a train would continue on to Riverside or Anaheim or – if your destination was north of the city – already have gotten off in Sylmar or Burbank. In about the time it takes to taxi in from the runway and pick up baggage at LAX, the planned high speed train will have made stops in: Sylmar, Burbank, Union Station, Norwalk, Anaheim and Irvine.
StevieB Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Perhaps their destination is Malibu or Balboa…but then they would have a limousine pick them up as they do at the airport.
Derek Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
“But California is not Europe, where cities and towns are more densely populated…”
False. California has a population density of 234.4 people per square mile, while Europe is only 181 per square mile.
Joey Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Comparing the densities of two large areas is misleading – what this won’t tell you is that European cities are much more compact than American cities. You’d get a better idea if you compared the densities of urban areas.
adirondacker12800 Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Living in a low density suburb of Fresno doesn’t make it easier to drive to Los Angeles or San Francisco, it makes it less likely there will be a bus to the station in Fresno. It does make it easier to drive to the station in Fresno.
Joey Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Driving isn’t necessarily easier in America. But transit is much more accessible in Europe.
adirondacker12800 Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
Places in America where it’s not easy to drive …. aren’t in Real America ™ so they don’t count.
jimsf Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
I am curently living in Real American tm since my recent move and the only thing I can say is that it is a dreadful, depressing place. I pretty sure the reason the country is going down the drain has something to do with Real Americans being in some kind of state of shock from living this way. No sane healthy person would choose this as a permant way of life.
Nathanael Reply:
December 13th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Probably correct. Also due to “Real Americans” having no access to sources of information telilng them that there are any alternatives; if you’re somewhere where all the radio is Rush Limbaugh and there’s no high-speed Internet, you’re bound to go completely bonkers.
(Most of the newspapers in the US are useless wastes of paper now, and many such as Murdoch’s are worse. TV news ranges from completely useless to actively evil. Radio is completely useless for information — even NPR is corrupt now. Only the Internet even provides the opportunity to learn about reality.)
Sobering Reality Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
So, you make a choice to move somewhere you don’t like then you whine about it.
You understand of course how pathetic that is right?
Derek Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Beyond commuting distances, total population of a region is more important than population density.
Los Angeles: 12.8 million
SF Bay Area: 7.15 million
Madrid: 6.3 million
Barcelona: 5 million
Joey Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
I’m not making any claim about how successful HSR can be (and indeed, if done right, I think HSR can be immensely successful in CA). I’m simply trying to correct a misleading statement. The other thing is that we are going to have to accept that a lot more people are going to be driving to HSR stations as opposed to taking transit.
Alon Levy Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Did you make sure to include territorial waters, for maximum incomparability?
Jonathan Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Derek,
“false” yourself. average population-density in a nation (or US state) _does_ _not_ determine the density of population in _towns and cities_ in that nation (or US state.)
Do you understand the points you’re reading and responding to?
Or do you just type keywords into a Web search-engine?
Sobering Reality Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:58 am
Do tell, how vast in is the Mojave Desert in Europe?
“Most travelers arriving by train at Los Angeles’ Union Station will still have to drive for an hour, and often more, to get to their ultimate destination.”
Most travelers arriving by airplane at LAX will still have to drive for an hour, and often more, to get to their ultimate destination. So that’s not really an argument against HSR. And driving is a “dream” in Los Angeles? It’s often not driving but parking when you’re stuck in traffic. That doesn’t qualify as a dream in my book.
Alon Levy Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Yes, and connecting transit to airports matters for airport mode share somewhat. KTX ridership dipped marginally when Seoul opened a new subway line to Gimpo.
Wider benefits of high-speed rail confirmed in new studies
The carbon footprint of high-speed rail can be up to 14 times less carbon intensive than car travel and up to 15 times less than aviation, even when measured over the full life-cycle of planning, construction, and operation
StevieB Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
This would be a persuasive argument in a country that is trying to reduce its carbon footprint which the United States is not. Too many here are not convinced that global warming is caused by human actions or even that global warming exists. I would offer a large correlation between those unconcerned with the carbon footprint and those opposed to high-speed rail. The carbon footprint benefits therefore will change the minds of few in their estimation of high-speed rail.
Andre Peretti Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Systra is a European consultancy firm using European methodology. Reason Foundation has shown HSR’s low CO2 emissions to be a myth, and so have the Cato Institute and other experts.
And, anyway, only unamerican liberals believe CO2 causes global warming.
Besides, does global warming even exist?
Peter Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
I bet you can’t prove that Reason Foundation and Cato Institute exist. They’re myths, too.
Peter Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
I think that would make a good Onion article.
Andre Peretti Reply:
December 13th, 2011 at 6:52 am
Are you one of those negationists who pretend they are empty shells whose only occupants are Wendell Cox for Reason and Randal O’Toole for Cato?
Peter Reply:
December 13th, 2011 at 7:23 am
No, it’s just a funny thought to demand the same impossible levels of proof to prove their existence as they demand of global warming.
Andre Peretti Reply:
December 13th, 2011 at 11:30 am
I even found a site (sorry I didn’t copy the link) where they explained satellite images of the melting icepack were fakes since everybody knows NASA has been infiltrated by the international scientists’ conspiracy.
adirondacker12800 Reply:
December 13th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
and the lunar landings were done on a sound stage in Burbank. They murdered the guy who invented the 200 MPG carburetor. McNuggets come from test tubes….
… snopes.com…
High-speed rail could draw O.C. funding
Alon Levy Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
If the HSR boondoggle makes it unaffordable to widen I-5 even more, then I reverse all previous criticisms of it.
spokker Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Transit projects in OC? Aside from small improvements to the LOSSAN row they own, there’s not much going on. They don’t even have rapid bus yet.
Here is testimony from Assemblywoman Diane Harkey to the OCTA. Right on point.
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Testimony delivered to OCTA December 12, 2011
Diane L. Harkey, Assembly Member 73rd AD
OCTA Chair and Board Members:
Madam Chair and Board members, thank you for your time. As you know, I have been tracking this project for 3 years from the state’s perspective. I have recommended that we pull the plug on funding based on reporting delays and the lack of accurate information with regard to: ridership, funding, route, risk analysis and compliance with underlying 2008 legislation, AB 3034 and Proposition 1A.
The Legislature and people of California were told there would be no state subsidy and the riders would pay for the system.
We finally have a more realistic draft business plan albeit with huge deficiencies, many of which I and my colleagues have addressed, the 2 letters, signed by Senators and Assembly members, included in the booklet provided.
The Authority is taking the position that the plan is honest and so we should just move along. That is like one spouse telling his marriage partner that he or she has been cheating for years, but we just need to get over it. In both instances there are fundamental problems to be addressed that may and should end the relationship. I know the OCTA is on record as supporting HSR but the project has changed and requires new analysis.
Allow me to briefly summarize the plan:
We said we wouldn’t need a r subsidy, so we don’t. Oops – we forgot to tell you there would be sunk construction costs in the hundreds of billions and we may need a credit line for cash flow needs.
We hope the Federal government will give us $60-80 billion for Phase 1. Qualified Tax Credit Bonds will not be available, but if they were, we could leverage the $9 billion HSR bonds by more than three times what the state could borrow independently, or repay debt with more debt.
We said we are not going to have lost revenues but, if we did, then we reduce the scope or increase government funds (i.e., build something somewhere and use up all the money we can as quickly as possible).
We have $6 billion to begin construction in the Central Valley, but it won’t really become useful or high speed until we build an “Initial Operating Section” for which we have no funding.
Even if we get no more money we can attach the ICS to the Amtrak or freight line. It won’t be electrified or high speed under California’s definition, but it works for the FRA.
The reason the plan is so vague, and the LAO does not believe it complies with the bond or legislation, is due to the fundamental flaw in this relationship. The ridership study, from which all else flows, is totally unreliable.
For instance:
The LAO raised concerns about the comparison of $99 billion cost of building high-speed rail with the $170 billion cost of building highways and airports with equivalent capacity.
Using data from the business plan to calculate ridership equates to 116.5 million riders per year. But the plan only forecasts 40 million riders per year by 2060.
Hence a more accurate dollar amount for 40 million riders that would not have access to high speed rail is about $58 billion not $170 billion.
The study also ignores a September, 2011 Regional Airport System Planning Analysis that reported roughly 115 million more could be served with minimal delays, with no additional infrastructure.
The ridership study also uses “equivalent capacity” using a maximized train operation assumption from the 2005 EIR/EIS, not a projected ridership basis that all transportation projects use world-wide.
I understand that your job is to procure much needed transportation funding for Orange County. If this plan is funded there will be little to no extra state transportation dollars for OC or other counties. We are maxed out in bonding capacity as evidenced by our credit rating and the fact that we had to promise “trigger cuts” to obtain our RANS for short-term cash flow needs.
I have reviewed the OCTA draft letter requesting a change in the plan from beginning in the Central Valley to using the funds available for the “book-ends” that have higher initial ridership.
According to Ray LaHood, fed funds are going to the Central Valley because that is what the stakeholders want. I’m not sure who the stakeholders are (other that the Fresno politicians, HSR lobbyists) but obviously the plan can be changed. I also know that Mr. Amante will be testifying in Washington DC this week.
If you succeed, you will have accomplished not beginning a train to nowhere. But I do fear that quickly we will be back to high speed spending on a project for which there is no proven need, and will continue to saddle our state with debt and taxes into perpetuity. This project could be Solyndra on steroids.
So I would ask that you also include a request for a new and independent ridership study prior to ROW funding, or moving forward in any way with an initial construction section or any improvements other than those to existing rail lines.
In the notebook you will find reports and important site references to polling, testimony and video viewing of hearings. I have also included a power point on state finances I presented to my constituents. I hope you will access some or all of the sites noted for additional information. I thank you for your time.
Jack Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
She looses all credibility by sighting the LAO, and there flawed partisan analysis of the project.
joe Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
add to that willful ignorance.
StevieB Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Orange county wants construction in their county first. This is understandable. The crux of the statement is this, “I understand that your job is to procure much needed transportation funding for Orange County. If this plan is funded there will be little to no extra state transportation dollars for OC or other counties.”
Los Angeles has the same problem extending the subway. It will take 50 years to extend the subway to Westwood and perhaps another 50 years to reach Santa Monica. Since the initial construction of the subway billions of dollars have been spent on highways and light rail that will improve transportation for fewer in order to appease those who want theirs first.
Wanting yours first is a natural human desire. Giving in to those who want theirs first is not always the best use of funds and spreading funds around does not always lead to the best infrastructure. Decisions should be made on what is best for California and not for individual political jurisdictions.
Dan Walters: Legal traps could stop California’s high-speed rail project
The Unprofitable Skies
D. P. Lubic Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Two things stand out in that commentary.
One is that airlines, like railroads, pipelines, and certain other businesses, may well be utilities or “natural monopolies,” businesses with large capital requirements and sometimes high operating costs, but also firms that benefit themselves AND THE PUBLIC (this is an important point) by being in a tight regulatory environment that includes a price floor and perhaps restricted market entry. One can still have competition in such an environment–but it likely won’t be in the form of cost cutting that results in a loss of amenities, comfort, and safety. Rather, competition in such an environment is in service, not price; look at airline and railroad history to see plenty of examples from before. Economists fussed at supposedly “too high” air fares–but look at what flying used to be compared with what it is now.
The other thing that stands out is the huge amount of cumulative capital losses over the years. It sounds as bad as the independent trucking business, where everybody cuts everybody else’s throat, nobody makes much money if any at all, and companies and the people who run them drop like flies (oh, and this is on a publicly funded and subsidized infrastructure). Where do all those suckers come from to lose their money, and in huge piles at that?
Nathanael Reply:
December 13th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
I have a potential economics project which would be groundbreaking, Nobel material: the study of “sucker financing” of important projects of public value. The most famous case is Thatcher’s scheme for funding the Channel Tunnel, but the ones you describe are less obvious cases of the same phenomenon.
Bakersfield council to consider resolution to oppose bullet train
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/12/bakersfield-council-to-consider-resolution-to-oppose-bullet-train.html
datacruncher Reply:
December 12th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
The staff report from the Bakersfield city manager to the city council arguing in favor of that resolution is at:
http://www.bakersfieldcity.us/weblink7/0/doc/946974/Page1.aspx
go to page 15.
I read it, wasn’t impressed.
This is why democracy will never work; you can’t deal with people who disagrees with you anymore in this polarized world.
The Chinese are way better off in a single-party rule rubber stamp state; get the shit done with no opposition. No wonder why they’re kicking our asses!
ComradeFrana Reply:
December 13th, 2011 at 9:48 am
I honestly don’t know what to say, so I’ll just shake my head in disbelief and hope that you didn’t mean it seriously…
Nathanael Reply:
December 13th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
There is a study which shows that support for democracy is directly correlated with the percentage of people who can find jobs.
When elected governments fail to get people food or jobs, more and more people start supporting dictatorship, because “it can’t be worse than this”.
This is why we are in very dangerous times. We have economic morons ruling over almost all of Europe and also over the US. (Obama isn’t an economic moron, but he *has* capitulated to the economic morons in the Republican Party — I’m hoping he has finally realized that that is really dangerously stupid). This causes people to distrust democracy entirely.
Really it’s not democracy which is the problem, it’s having a crappy excuse for democracy, where nobody who actually solves the problem of providing food and jobs — which is only done by people who are called “socialists” in the US — is allowed to be elected. In Europe, the problem comes from the “socialist” parties failing to have the courage of their convictions, and capitulating to austerity-mad right-wingers.
Alon Levy Reply:
December 13th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Not everywhere. Israel has record-low unemployment, but support for democracy is low. In fact the most anti-democracy demographic, settlers, is the one benefiting from the lushest welfare; it’s the more liberal people in the center who are stuck with high housing prices and Thatcherist social benefits.
Andre Peretti Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:23 am
When a country feels besieged, support for democracy is always low.
Alon Levy Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:44 am
Yep. The Israeli conception of the nation is so ethnic even Marine Le Pen was scared off. Just recently, the IDF fired a gas canister at the head of a Palestinian protester at close range, killing him, while dealing with a more violent settler protest (involving breaking into an army base) more delicately and with negotiation. When asked about the discrepancy, the IDF spokesman said, “You wouldn’t seriously expect us to fire on Jews.” An American flak would have said American citizens, and a French flak French citizens; Israel is different. Because social policy has been to encourage ethnic divisions, the presence of non-Jewish citizens and non-citizen subjects makes people feel besieged.
Jonathan Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:29 am
… you’re saying those “non-Jewish citizens and non-citizen subjects”aren’t people?
Alon Levy Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:42 am
No, just that Israel’s Jewish majority views them as Them, not as Us. It’s a lot more like the US in the Birth of a Nation era than the US today.
Jonathan Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Oh. so you’re saying that only “Israel;s Jewish majority” are people?
Andre Peretti Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Don’t you think the American Jewish community is responsible to a certain degree? By courting what they perceive as “the Jewish vote” American policy makers tend support anything Israel is doing.
The situation is very different in France. Although it has the largest number of people of Jewish origin (after the US and Israel), there is no such a thing as a Jewish vote.
I remember how J.F Copé, the head of president Sarkozy’s party, answered a journalist asking him how he felt, “as a member of the Jewish community”, about Israeli settlers . He said: “My only community is France. As a Jew I adhere to a set of moral values transmitted through generations, and they are in perfect harmony with the principles of the republic. I disapprove of any act contradicting these principles, whatever the nationality of the people commiting them”.
Alon Levy Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
No, not really. What’s called the Israel lobby is really a very small set of major donors to AIPAC, who happen to be a lot more conservative than the average American Jew. Once the conservatism became more open, Jewish activists started rapidly defecting to J Street.
Israel’s self-conception as an ethnic state long predates the formation of an Israel lobby in the US. It’s in the declaration of independence, from 1948. The intense discrimination against Arabs, in worse ways than against Middle Eastern Jews, began at or even before independence. By the 1950s, left-wing activist Uri Avnery directed the bulk of his criticism of Israel toward its Jewish self-definition. At the time, there was no Israel lobby in the US; Jewish lobbies supported civil rights, and Israel’s primary ally was France rather than the US.
The US doesn’t have the same conception of cultural sameness as France. In France, there’s a set of accepted behaviors written in Paris and imposed nationwide – hence, centuries of linguicide against Occitan, Breton, and all dialects of French except the Parisian one. That’s why France refuses to sign international agreements about minority languages. The US does this more subtly. For example, because it’s a Christian country, there’s a holiday season right before Christmas – but it’s fine to celebrate whatever you want, as long as it’s in December. Thus Hanukkah is treated as the major Jewish holiday and part of the holiday season, even though in reality it’s quite minor; more important Jewish holidays, such as Passover, receive scant media attention.
Andre Peretti Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:10 am
Europe is actually governed by Standard & Poor’s. French socialists and conservatives accuse each other of leading the country to loss of its triple A. Every time a deficit-cutting measure is voted in parliament, everybody waits for S&P’s verdict which generally is like: “that’s a step in the right direction but not enough to keep your AAA. Try harder”. And parliament and government comply.
Government proposes, Market disposes.
adirondacker12800 Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Like Standard and Poor’s or Moody’s did such an astute job with the derivatives market or for that matter the underlying securities the derivatives market was gambling with.
Alon Levy Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Or with the US, for that matter. Remember how the markets reacted to the fraudulent US downgrade.
Sobering Reality Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Sure, if you like slave labor.
Sobering Reality Reply:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:24 pm So, you make a choice to move somewhere you don’t like then you whine about it.You understand of course how pathetic that is right?
Who said I was whining about it? I grew up out here and new exactly what to expect. I’m here temporarily for a specific reason. That doesn’t preclude me from make the observation as it pertains to the big picture. The point being made by both Adiron and I, as you damn will know, is that there is both a lack of information and viewpoints, and a lack of transportation in some places. So to quote a line from an old John Waters film, “don’t act ignorant Tracy Turnblad”
Why in hell is it always the anti everything folks who who constantly fall back on points and arguments that are disengenuous?