Debt Downgrade Doesn’t Change Overall HSR Funding Situation

Aug 6th, 2011 | Posted by

Last night S&P downgraded United States debt from AAA to AA+. It’s the first time the US has been downgraded, and there’s been a lot of discussion about whether S&P is a credible agency making credible judgments. They gave Lehman Brothers a AAA rating a month before their collapse in 2008, there have been persistent questions about their role in giving high ratings to toxic subprime mortgage debt, and Italian prosecutors raided Moody’s and S&P offices in Milan earlier this week. Paul Krugman denounced the downgrade in harsh terms:

In short, S&P is just making stuff up — and after the mortgage debacle, they really don’t have that right.

So this is an outrage — not because America is A-OK, but because these people are in no position to pass judgment.

Embarrassingly, S&P was found by the White House to have been $2 trillion off in its financial calculations. But instead of not going ahead with the downgrade, S&P did so anyway, citing political factors, primarily Republican unwillingness to let the Bush tax cuts expire.

The downgrade may not have much actual effect on US finances. Last week’s market downturn saw a flight to safety, including US treasuries. US credit default swaps hadn’t been affected, and overall the markets seem to believe that US debt is perfectly fine. Despite the hype, it’s unlikely that the downgrade will have a hugely negative impact on federal finances, and borrowing costs will likely remain low.

That’s not to say there’s no problem here. The downgrade doesn’t change the basic facts on the ground in Washington DC – that the House of Representatives is controlled by a group of insane radicals who are absolutely determined to gut federal spending, and Senate Democrats along with the White House are either unwilling or unable to stop them. In fact, the stock market’s decline last week was largely due to concerns with the impact of the austerity plans adopted by Congress in order to raise the debt ceiling, along with concerns at austerity-induced problems in the eurozone.

Those problems aren’t new, and the Republican House has had its eye on HSR funding ever since it came to power in January. The downgrade doesn’t change any of that. It might put additional pressure on Congress to cut more spending – even though S&P said the problem was an unwillingness to raise taxes – but the Republicans will use any excuse they can find to press for HSR funding cuts.

What about the downgrade’s impact on California? Last week there was speculation that HSR was first on the chopping block in the event of further austerity in California:

Even though construction of California’s 800-mile high speed rail project is scheduled to begin next year, a lot of questions remain. Moody’s senior economist Eduardo Martinez said that he thinks the project is a prime target for a funding cut.

”High speed rail is not universally accepted in this country, or in California in its current form. There are a lot of concerns with cost overruns,” said Martinez. “And in the Bay Area alone there are a lot of concerns over pathways – whether it’s going to go through the Peninsula or the East Bay. So that makes it a prime target.”

This is nonsense. Nothing is universally accepted in this country. And we know that majorities of Californians support HSR, as does the state legislature. HSR funding survived brutal rounds of austerity in Sacramento in the last four years, so it’s hard to imagine why things would be any different now.

Martinez’ argument is based on the conventional wisdom that in a recession, you cut rather than spend and invest. That may hold sway right now in the House of Representatives, but it hasn’t exactly held in California, as HSR funding’s popularity and survival shows. Future federal cuts, which are coming regardless of a downgrade unless Obama and Senate Dems decide to stand up to House Republicans, could force further austerity in California, but because political leaders in Sacramento understand the need to spend money on infrastructure to create jobs, HSR doesn’t seem a very likely target at all.

What about the impact on the state’s ability to sell the Prop 1A bonds? Treasurer Bill Lockyer was busy concern trolling about the project in June, complaining about the business plan and ridership projections. But he acknowledged that because Prop 1A are general obligation bonds, selling them would be a breeze:

Lockyer said he initially presumed that “we would go to market with a high-speed rail bond;” that is, bonds tied to the bullet train project.

“I was worried that if I had to sell a pure high-speed rail bond, that the uncertainties, the (issues of) revenue stream and passenger volume and fare box revenues were so unsettled that no investor would want to take that risk,” he said.

Actually, the rail bonds are to be “just a vanilla general obligation bond, backed by the state’s credit,” Lockyer said. Thus, they pose no special marketing problems.

He speaks from experience. California has a low bond rating, with several downgrades in recent years. But Lockyer has had no trouble selling debt on the market. Demand for California bonds remains strong.

That’s because the state constitution mandates that bondholders, along with schools, have first claim on tax revenues. Default is essentially not an option.

Overall, then, it’s hard to see the US credit downgrade having any impact on the HSR project. It doesn’t change the fact that we have a serious problem in Congress, it won’t erode public or political support for the project in California, and it won’t make it difficult to sell Prop 1A bonds to start construction in the Central Valley next year. Rating agencies are of questionable value anyway, and the primary loser of the downgrade may be S&P’s reputation.

  1. synonymouse
    Aug 6th, 2011 at 14:19
    #1

    The climate is clearly turning less favorable for hsr. Now China wants the US to cut spending:

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fiw-china-response-20110807,0,3901161.story

    Of course the Chinese single out military and welfare spending. Easy for them to say as they want to be the world’s military power and they spend plenty on rural welfare out of fear of riots. Of course we know they are non-union. No Amalgamated, no TWU, no constructions unions.

    The US is not going to significantly cut either the defense budget or welfare. Neither the Demos nor the GOP will go for it. Especially if there are some urban riots, as in the not so distant past. No way. Social Security is the third rail of US politix.

    So what’s going to be gutted? Discretionary spending, of which the hsr is the poster boy. Time to cut costs as in dumping Tehachapi and Pacheco in the light of having to rely on primarily local funding.

    And forget about raising taxes in a recession. JFK knew better than that and that was in a time we still had a manufacturing economy not one mostly dependent on consumer spending.

    I find it interesting that the Chinese are now calling for US austerity right after a disastrous hsr wreck which effectively kills their chances of scoring any hsr contracts in the US.

    adirondacker12800 Reply:

    that was in a time we still had a manufacturing economy not one mostly dependent on consumer spending.

    They didn’t dump the manufactured goods into the river they sold them to …. consumers…. manufacturing stuff without consumers isn’t a very good way to make money.

  2. synonymouse
    Aug 6th, 2011 at 15:01
    #2

    The point is that in 1960 the goods being sold to US consumers were mostly manufactured in the US. Ergo there were manufacturing jobs as well as retail and the money stayed in the country.

    Jerry Reply:

    And when manufacturing of consumer goods such as TVs moved ‘overseas’ then a tax cut would help the ‘overseas’ economy.

  3. Emma
    Aug 7th, 2011 at 01:03
    #3

    The credit rating agencies have been downgrading California for so long. Even putting it at the same level as Greece. I mean, really? At the “lowest” point in the state’s history we had a debt of $20 billion. Our state GDP is $2 trillion. In other words, our state debt was 1% of the state GDP, yet big business and right-wingers from all around the country claimed that we are a failed state.

    I just keep saying that they should stay in their holes that think $200/month in UI is enough, that allow the industry to dump carcinogens into their water and, above all, think that more guns are the solution to everything.

    Emma Reply:

    It’s just a matter of time until “Reality Check” is using that opportunity to make an illogical cause&effect connection between state-funded HSR and federal debt.

    synonymouse Reply:

    Yeah, California is pretty much down there with the PIIG’s, when Jerry Brown ok’s the prison guards to go to Vegas to their union convention on the clock.

    Bell set the example for the credit rating agencies. Rizzo even shamed the UC Chancellors with his $800k or so.

    trentbridge Reply:

    Quit knocking California! What NETFLIX or FACEBOOK or APPLE does Greece, Portugal or Spain have? This is a state blessed with resources, intelligent, enterprising people, and a wonderful climate and you can’t stand that it’s a Democratic state. All this innuendo about Jerry Brown is pitiful – when did the last two Republican Governors ever stand up to the prison workers union? Answer – never – because they were endorsed by them. This state has more going for it than all the other 49 states combined. Yes, we can raise the money here!

    States Receiving Least in Federal Spending Per Dollar of Federal Taxes Paid:
    1. New Jersey ($0.62)
    2. Connecticut ($0.64)
    3. New Hampshire ($0.68)
    4. Nevada ($0.73)
    5. Illinois ($0.77)
    6. Minnesota ($0.77)
    7. Colorado ($0.79)
    8. Massachusetts ($0.79)
    9. California ($0.81)
    10. New York ($0.81)

    Note: It’s not the Democratic states that live on Federal tax dollars!

    Beta Magellan Reply:

    Although I don’t know much about CA’s debt, I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the reasons your rating’s so low is because of California’s restraints on revenue-raising (this was cited in the S&P national debt report as well)–if things get worse, the state’s constrained on how it can maintain its obligations, adding to risk.

  4. Paulus Magnus
    Aug 7th, 2011 at 07:56
    #4

    So, Australia is looking at a high speed rail project of their own. The most expensive alignment, at a 90% probability of costs not overrunning, is 1,663 km, A$108 billion (in 2011), from Melboune to Brisbane by way of Canberra and Sydney, to open in or by 2036.

    Compare to Amtrak’s gold-plated NEC plan if you want to be really depressed about the state of things in America.

    ericmarseille Reply:

    When one megalopolis can boasts itself as the largest, wealthiest, etc. etc., transforming radically its infrastructure is the costliest. No surprise here.

    Richard Mlynarik Reply:

    Paulus, if you knew anything about the history of HSR in Australia — or the history of any non-road transportation in Australia — you’d not be so fast to assume it was better than Amtrak.

    English as a first language (it’s mine too, ok) seems to cause fatal and irreparable brain damage in the lobe responsible for transportation planning.

  5. Paulus Magnus
    Aug 7th, 2011 at 08:46
    #5

    Somewhat further off-topic: Given that the IE route is almost entirely viaduct and tunnel (and is so to Riverside), wouldn’t it be worth trying to amend the law so that Riverise and Escondido can be 125mph commuter spurs and simply extend the Anaheim/Irvine spur down to San Diego at 125-150mph peak (allowing a mostly at grade alignment)? That would save a tremendous amount of cash without reducing the utility of the line.

    Beta Magellan Reply:

    I think something like that was basically the early eighties LA-SD HSR plan. The only real issue I could see happening would be potentially losing the SD-IE market, but I don’t know how LAUS is going to be through-routed so that might not even be an issue.

    StevieB Reply:

    The city of Orange has anticipated your idea and opposes any line through the city. That is just the first of the problems with the route. Money for planning other than stage 1 can be delayed for a few years while construction begins in the central valley.

    Paulus Magnus Reply:

    Was that before or after CAHSRA ditched the more ludicrous plans they had on the OC line? Through running to San Diego also lets you take over Surfliner travel slots and reduce the scope of additional track construction as well, which the IE route doesn’t.

    Tom McNamara Reply:

    I actually intend to write a post about this topic once Robert gets around to publishing my last one. The real problem with the Inland Empire route isn’t that it would be costly and not much faster than the Surfliner from LA to SD.

    Instead, it’s that the EIR updates keep on assuming that HSR is going to eat up ROWs used by Metrolink and be very disruptive to their service. To make matters worse though, there’s also the Alameda Corridor people who are looking to expand grade separation for Union Pacific track all the way from San Gabriel to Colton.

    Now, if BNSF and UP could bury the hatchet on a Alameda like trench railway they shared from LA to Colton, this would be very good for Metrolink but that would be offset by HSR coming in blowing things up. In the end, I don’t think it’s worth it and that if Metrolink can run enough expresses they can probably meet all the connecting HSR’s traffics need. Plus, that would eliminate BNSF’s need to use the Anaheim Canyon track and allow Metrolink to run more frequently through there as well…

    The simply solution is to save our money and just take over the Coast route and tunnel through the tough spots…however, as Steven notes….the NIMBYs in Orange County would eat Elizabeth and Nadia for breakfast…..

    Paulus Magnus Reply:

    I’m not sure NIMBY’s would be much of a concern in OC except in areas where you want to tunnel anyhow for other reasons. If you get rid of the “extra special dedicated super line” nonsense, the double tracking in Orange is adequate and is only a few miles and what looks like an acceptable curve away from Santa Ana where they are working on upgrading the speed limit to 110 mph anyhow.

    Beta Magellan Reply:

    Tom, it sounds like you’re just the man for the long-awaited Metrolink-HSR Compatibility Blog…

  6. StevieB
    Aug 8th, 2011 at 04:55
    #6

    Governor Brown in Contra Costa Times interviewagrees that additional government stimulus is necessary to create jobs.

    The biggest impact in the short term of the congressional debt limit agreement is the lack of stimulus in the deal, “which means the economy will creep along instead of roaring back,” Brown said. “Economists are worried about the failure to add jobs because jobs mean spending. If the federal government is going to contract at the same time, then unemployment will tend to remain high for a while.”

    He specifically mentions High Speed Rail as an investment he advocates.

    “I do think the federal government has to balance its books, and it’s got to make tough decisions, and I do agree you’ve got to have revenue as well as cuts,” he said. “But I do think they should be deferring the cuts by putting them into law and investing in jobs, whether in Civilian Conservation Corps or high speed rail or bridges.
    “We need a bold Rooseveltian thrust forward and Republicans just don’t believe it. They believe government is evil and to feed the beast is bad. If that’s true, then a modern society like America is in trouble.”

    synonymouse Reply:

    Brown had better be wary of what happened to Gray Davis.

    Meantime the bursting of the quantitative easing bubble finishes off Barack’s chances. Forget about federal money for Stilt-A-Rail.

    What Brown really needs to do is cut the UC Chancellors’s salary by 50%. And if they don’t like it tell them to shut the door behind them on their war to Hahvard.

    StevieB Reply:

    Jerry Brown wants to invest in the future of California and escape the stagnation we have now. He has nothing to fear from a recall unlike the six Republican state senators in Wisconsin facing recall elections tomorrow August 9. Republicans have pushed an agenda too far from mainstream and americans are pushing back.

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