Van Ark, Representatives from China and France Speak on HSR in SF

May 22nd, 2011 | Posted by

Note from Robert: the following post is from Kenya Wheeler, a graduate student in the Department of City and Regional Planning at U.C. Berkeley. Thanks to him for agreeing to write this post!

The future of High Speed Rail took center stage at a crowded panel discussion with over 120 attendees on May 19th at the annual conference for the Women’s Transportation Seminar (WTS) in San Francisco, CA. WTS is an international organization committed to supporting the professional development of women in the Transportation industry. The membership of WTS spans from undergraduate students to women who serving at the highest executive levels in state and federal government and in the consulting world. The leadership of women in the transportation sector was evident at the panel discussion, which was moderated by Karen Rae, Deputy Administrator of the Federal Railroad Administration who is leading the efforts to advance President Obama’s commitment to bring true high-speed rail to the United States. The panel consisted of Patrick Merrill, Assistant Vice President for Policy & Development for Amtrak West, Roelof van Ark, CEO of the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CHSRA), Guifeng Quan, Deputy Director, U.S. Project Working Group, Ministry of Railways, People’s Republic of China and former General Manager for the Shanghai – Hangzhou High Speed Rail Project and Denis Douté, CEO of SNCF America, all senior executives leading rail initiatives across the U.S. and the world.

Deputy Administrator Rae in opening the panel noted the scope of the High Speed Rail program outlined by the Obama Administration. She commented that President Obama is committed to bringing high-speed rail to 80% of the population of the United States in the next 25 years and compared the program to the expansiveness of the Eisenhower Administration’s investments in the Interstate Highway system. She said this commitment was illustrated by Vice President Biden’s announcement of the administration’s six-year budgetary commitment to high-speed rail as one of the first budgetary programs to be announced.

Amtrak’s Merrill provided an overview of Amtrak’s services in the U.S. The Accela Express service operated in the Northeast Corridor of the United States, the fastest passenger train operating in the U.S. was touted as a highly successful service with Accela fare revenue covering 169% of the operating expense. Over the entire Amtrak system fares cover about 80% of total costs. In a clear sign of the popularity of existing California inner-city rail services, Miller said that during some summer months ridership on the Pacific Surfliner exceeds the Accela Express. He closed by stating that Amtrak is in full support of bringing high-speed rail to America and spoke of plans to increase train speeds in a number of corridors across the U.S.

CAHSRA’s van Ark presented a brief overview of California’s High Speed Rail plans and focused on an update of the current status of the state’s rail program The agency is moving forward towards construction, have released a Request for Expressions of Interest (RFEI) from firms exploring the opportunity to bid on the construction of the first funded segment of High Speed Rail in the Central Valley. Plans are to release follow-up RFQs for companies to bid on the construction of the first segment of track between Bakersfield and Fresno by mid-2011 with award and construction beginning in early 2012. This schedule is driven to meet the Federal Government’s deadline of expending funds from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act by 2017.

Although he did not directly mention the recent Legislative Analyst Office report criticizing the High Speed Rail effort in California, van Ark addressed critiques about the project and the CHSRA’s commitment to build the first segment in the Central Valley. Mr. van Ark described the utility of the first phase by pointing out that 4 million people in the Central Valley (Merced to Bakersfield) region would be served by this first phase. He also mentioned that every new transit system is required to have a test track to identify problems before operations begin. This is a role the Central Valley segment will provide not just for California, but the entire United States as the first true high-speed rail segment in the country. Finally, he argued that the choice to build a first segment that is easier to construct from an, environmental, political and constructability view would pay off in the long term, as this segment is built into an initial operating segment that connects to existing rail tracks. This will allow high-speed rail service to begin operations while the full high-speed rail system is still being constructed (a point expanded on by Douté from SNCF later in the presentation).

The CHSRA is focusing now on finishing environmental review work on the Fresno-Bakersfield-Merced segment, with the next priority to finish environmental review to connect this segment to San Jose and Los Angeles. He stated that it is critical to start construction now and secure public funding to show the private sector that we are serious about constructing a high-speed rail system. While the $3.9 billion in current federal funds commitment to California’s project is larger than the total federal commitment originally envisioned, van Ark noted that a longer term Federal commitment is needed. In response to a question of whether Federal investment would restrict private capital, he strongly endorsed the need to operate high-speed rail as a public/private system but stated that private capital will not be attracted without a commitment of public investment.

Quan Guiefing provided an overview of the massive investment that China is making for High Speed Rail, noting that by 2015 over 45,000 km of high speed rail will be operating, with trains running between 250km/h and 350km/h depending on the individual segment. Within this network will be high-speed (350 km/h) segments connecting several major cities, including the Shanghai to Beijing corridor. Ms. Guiefing described some of the technical challenges overcome in building the line, including the construction of a 320 meter viaduct over a large active expressway that was built in the median of the roadway and rotated into it’s final alignment across the roadway. In response to questions about timeframes for constructability, the unique political and project delivery environment in China was evident when Ms. Guiefing stated in response to a question that it took four years to plan and three years to construct the Shanghai-Hangzhou line.

Finally, comments by SNCF Americas CEO Dennis Douté provided the most hopeful comments on the viability of HSR in California. Speaking from the perspective of a system operator, he provided an context of how building and operating a high-speed rail system could occur using the SNCF Paris-Marseille route as a case study (at 488 miles it is equivalent to the distance between San Francisco and San Diego). The first phase between Paris and Lyon was not constructed with any public subsidy and had a reasonable financial Internal Rate of Return of 15% according to the presentation. While subsequent segments required some public subsidy, they were phased in over time resulting in a twenty-year time span before the entire high-speed rail was completed. Prior to full completion trains were running along high speed segments connecting Paris, Lyon and intermediate points to Marseille, with non high-speed rail compliant tracks used to connect trains between the mainline high-speed rail tracks.

Mr. Douté closed with lessons learned from an operator’s perspective. Unlike high-speed rail service in Japan, which serves dense population corridors and operates like mass transit, the French system uses a reservation-based system to manage demand. SNCF utilizes principles of yield management developed by the Airline industry (he specifically mentioned American Airline’s Sabre reservation system) to optimize seat utilization on SNCF trains. Mr. Douté suggested that given California’s lower population density as compared to Japan it would be wise to incorporate this into operations in California. He also suggested that a system operator as early as possible when developing a high-speed rail system. The operator would then be charged with securing private funding. While this might seem a bit self-serving coming from SNCF, it does seem prudent to bring in a partner who has experience operating a high-speed rail service. Finally, one lesson that seems especially pertinent to the design phase was toe ensure quality in connections between high-speed rail and other modes. Mr. van Ark noted this in his presentation as well, stating to the transportation professionals in the audience that “we are dependent on you to bring us passengers, and we will deliver them back to you on the return trip”. Providing a high-quality experience in transferring between high-speed rail and local transit modes as well as on the local transit system to a final destination will be critical to attracting the riders needed to make the system viable.

A final question asked by a participant was whether the capacity among American contractors to build high-speed rail here in the U.S. Deputy Administrator Rae noted that before Florida cancelled its high-speed rail program they received bids from eight consortiums of contractors. Clearly the private sector is ready to build high-speed rail. In the case of high-speed rail, the decision we are faced is a question of whether we as a society are ready to commit to investing in our future.

Kenya Wheeler is a graduate student in the Department of City and Regional Planning at U.C. Berkeley. A California native, Kenya has previously worked as a transportation planner for consulting firms and public agencies in California and is a member of the American Institute of Certified Planners. He has been active in statewide political campaigns and formerly served as the Deputy Field Director for Organizing for America in California.

  1. Useless
    May 22nd, 2011 at 20:58
    #1

    Maybe Mr. Quan Guiefing hasn’t heard that his new boss imposed a new speed limit at 300 km/hr, including the Beijing-Shanghai line that is yet to open, and introducing a large number of 250 km/hr train services at lower fares.

    And the best service model for California is Asian-style subway model, not SNCF’s “airline jets on ground” model due to cheaper ticket and shorter service intervals.

    VBobier Reply:

    We will see what model is used, 300 kph is about 186 mph, Google will translate to mph if the original 300 km/hr(or whatever speed one wants) is expressed as 300 kph instead(or whatever speed one wants). It seems China had a problem with Quality control of their trackage, I’d hate to be the one responsible there, Someone could lose their life, maybe. As sometimes China has punished people rather harshly by western standards I’ve read.

    Joey Reply:

    The conversion factor is 1.6 (1.609 actually). Easy enough to punch into a calculator.

    VBobier Reply:

    I just used Google, It’s easier for Me, Trust Me on this.

    Peter Reply:

    Shouldn’t it be considered normal for the speed limit to have been dropped to 300 km/h, so that they can figure out what really is safe? I would not be surprised if some of the routes are sped up to 350 km/h again soon, if it makes economic sense to do so…

    Andre Peretti Reply:

    Determining a train’s optimal speed is an equation with severable variables: market share, energy consumption, cost of maintenance, etc…
    Take the example of Paris-Marseille (480 miles).
    Although test runs had shown it could safely be made in less than 3 hours, the SNCF chose 3 hours as optimal trip duration. It was sufficient to capture the market from the airlines and a faster speed would have been costly overkill.

    Concerning China, engineers bungling tests to speed their way up the communist party hierarchy should be taken into account. The Japanese think Chinese trains are overclocked for prestige reasons and to flatter party chiefs. When you see that CHR5 trains, which are previous-generation Pendolinos, are run 25% faster than in Europe, you have to wonder. Unless you are ready to believe that their construction and track-laying techniques are way superior to what we have in the West

    Andre Peretti Reply:

    several, not severable.

    Useless Reply:

    @ Peter

    > I would not be surprised if some of the routes are sped up to 350 km/h again soon

    Only if the new railway minister wishes to face a firing squad like the previous one.

    Peter Reply:

    Given the reason why they slowed them down to begin with (both suspected and proven shoddy construction of the tracks), there’s no reason why they can’t speed them up again after determining what has been built well and what hasn’t.

    BruceMcF Reply:

    though what are the odds that long stretches have been built well, if part of the problem is substandard material supplied to skim profits?

    and much of the market are conventional rail passengers, who the Chinese gvt want to be out of the way of freight trains ~ they are likely more ticket price sensitive than trip speed sensitive.

  2. Nadia
    May 23rd, 2011 at 06:43
    #2

    O/T: Central Valley seems to be organizing….

    http://www.examiner.com/transportation-policy-in-san-francisco/central-valley-protests-high-speed-rail

    Jack Reply:

    Yet, they have no problems selling their land for tract housing…

    MGimbel Reply:

    Umm, the group funding those ads is based in BURLINGAME, CA.

    YesonHSR Reply:

    One of the Main groups and the worst when it comes to fearmongering and gee how does Hamilton know about this little stunt?

    YesonHSR Reply:

    Should also say paided for by rich snobs in the BayArea that want to kill construction jobs here in the valley..

    datacruncher Reply:

    Looks like some carpetbaggers operating in the SJV from the Peninsula.

    Risenmessiah Reply:

    The Examiner newspapers are owned by Phil “I was hoping for the Rapture” Anschutz. He will make Joseph Pulitzer and William Randolph Hearst look like Emile Zola if the papers develop a wide enough circulation. This does not sound like a well written, or objective article.

    In the interest of being constructive though I will post a better topic for discussion:

    “Evidence Suggests Bay Area High Speed Rail Opponents Have a Bigger Threat to Their Livelihoods Running Beneath Their Feet”:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/22/MNVI1JEQUA.DTL&ao=all

    VBobier Reply:

    Very Explosive, Of course the Nimbys have Tunnel Vision, So if that wipes out a few, What can I say? PG&E isn’t to be trusted & they should know that and It should be their 1st priority, Not protesting against HSR, whose protests will go no where.

    Alon Levy Reply:

    Anschutz also has a large stake in a certain railroad California is having trouble with.

    Risenmessiah Reply:

    That totally slipped my mind, but yes, you are right. Funny how that works.

    synonymouse Reply:

    @ Nadia

    Who and what are the interests in the San Joaquin Valley who oppose I-5? I mean the contractors will still be building something no matter what corridor it is on. And we know the UP says move along – no ROW here.

    Peter Reply:

    That’s assuming there ARE interests who oppose an I-5 alignment, other than Bakersfield an Fresno, who REALLY want stations. I know your TRAC-foamer brain would love nothing more than to have your conspiracy theories about route choices validated, but I sincerely doubt that’s ever going to happen.

  3. Risenmessiah
    May 23rd, 2011 at 07:01
    #3

    Sabre? That’s SNCF’s great innovation?!!?

    The JR Rail types must be rubbing their hands with glee…

    If I can rephrase Douty:

    As it became clear that Lyon to Paris and vice versa was no longer viable for air transport, it became obvious that we could get funding to establish a HSR rail link. However, because France is a federal system like the US, soon there was a political need to establish other tributaries to the main route to appease general consensus. Since none of these lines pencil on their own but one can still take advantage of aggregation economically, we utilize reservations to provide just enough rolling stock to meet our demands.

    Le key difference between this and California’s realisation: water.

    Over half of the state’s population lives south of the Tejon. Although the other half is more widely distributed, over half of the remainder live in the Bay Area or in Sacramento. The majority of traffic will be from end point to end point. LA to SF. LA to Las Vegas, LA to SD, and someday, SF to Sacramento. It’s nice to think that they want to squeeze out another train here or there to assist with burgeoning populations in Modesto or Victorville but the value of said water is simply too much for agricultural producers.

    Instead, now JR can argue that they have the experience with the Tokaido Shinkasen of building between Japan’s two biggest population centers (and note that because of Mt. Fuji it’s a choke point) and then note that the rest of the high speed rail system uses Tokyo or Osaka as spokes. That will go over well in LA (counting on its connections to Las Vegas, San Diego, and someday Arizona) and SF in its desire for Sacramento and Tahoe.

    Risenmessiah Reply:

    Oh great let me try this again:

    If I can rephrase Douty:

    As it became clear that Lyon to Paris and vice versa was no longer viable for air transport, it became obvious that we could get funding to establish a HSR rail link. However, because France is a federal system like the US, soon there was a political need to establish other tributaries to the main route to appease general consensus. Since none of these lines pencil on their own but one can still take advantage of aggregation economically, we utilize reservations to provide just enough rolling stock to meet our demands.

    Le key difference between this and California’s realisation: water.

    Over half of the state’s population lives south of the Tejon. Although the other half is more widely distributed, over half of the remainder live in the Bay Area or in Sacramento. The majority of traffic will be from end point to end point. LA to SF. LA to Las Vegas, LA to SD, and someday, SF to Sacramento. It’s nice to think that they want to squeeze out another train here or there to assist with burgeoning populations in Modesto or Victorville but the value of said water is simply too much for agricultural producers.

    Instead, now JR can argue that they have the experience with the Tokaido Shinkasen of building between Japan’s two biggest population centers (and note that because of Mt. Fuji it’s a choke point) and then note that the rest of the high speed rail system uses Tokyo or Osaka as spokes. That will go over well in LA (counting on its connections to Las Vegas, San Diego, and someday Arizona) and SF in its desire for Sacramento and Tahoe.

    VBobier Reply:

    Mt. Fuji = Mt. St.Helens, Thankfully We don’t have one nearby, Mt. Baldy is as close as It gets. Tahoe? Whose proposal is that?

    Alon Levy Reply:

    Anyone who thinks France has a federal system should be banned from ever speaking about France again.

    Risenmessiah Reply:

    Well the irony is that even if it is unitary, letting the minority influence decisions like that is something you would see in a federal system like the US.

    Alon Levy Reply:

    Minority influence doesn’t have much to do with federalism. Any state with strong proportional representation (which the Parisian Empire does not) will have a lot of minority influence. Over there in Switzerland it’s called consensus government.

    What France’s unitary government means is that regional balance is much less important than in federal systems. Germany took about twenty years longer than France to build a dedicated full-fat high-speed line because it kept having to spread the money around.

    Risenmessiah Reply:

    That’s the contradiction posed by Douty, actually.

    Lyon and Paris are the largest cities in France. They have the most number of trips and the highest viability. Yet something possessed them to expand their network in search of more riders and those increases have not covered costs. So, the question I would then have is…do Parisians and Lyonnaise desire more connections to the rest of the country…or does SNCF hope by having more connections, city-dwellers will travel more?

    Alon Levy Reply:

    The fact that Paris-Lyon is the most important city pair does not mean other city pairs are bad investments. The unitary government of France (and Japan, and Korea) ensured that it was possible to do the highest level of investment in the top pair, and only then expand.

    Risenmessiah Reply:

    That’s not the impression I got from Douty’s remark. He was basically saying that ridership in the US will be too low to follow the Japanese example. How does he know…because France has the same problem outside of Lyon – Paris. It has some demand, but not enough potentially to justify the capital investment. Since SCNF already has trains, it can always use that factor of aggregation to its advantage, but the actually tracks are a different story.

    adirondacker12800 Reply:

    The Germans had other things on their minds. Different things in West Germany than in East Germany but they had other things on their minds.

    Loren Petrich Reply:

    Alon, it seems like the US will have Germany’s style of HSR development — it’ll be largely dependent on the whims of state politicians. From the looks of the proposals that are going ahead vs. those that ended up canceled, I’d even say that that’s already the case.

  4. Emma
    May 23rd, 2011 at 12:45
    #4

    Okay, I’m a bit biased on this one but I don’t see why the LA-SD section is seen as some phase-in plan. It should be immediately built following the construction of the SF-Anaheim line.

    I’m more than convinced that the LA-SD section will provide higher revenues than the rest of the HSR line for two simple reasons:
    -2/3 of all Californians live in Southern California
    -People will more likely travel among SoCal cities than between SF and LA.

    LA-SD shouldn’t be a plan that will come “someday.” It is a rational requirement for HSR to work in California. Planning for the construction of the extension should be done right now, so that it will be shovel-ready when the funds come in.

    We have to look at what drives people to use HSR in the first place. Paris and Lyon are beautiful, walkable cities. Large malls are withing walking distance of major HSR stations and public transit is well built. Not to mention the large pedestrian sidewalks. The true profits will come from the stations.

    Over in Europe, stations are basically malls. We should copy this concept. Retail stores would love to do business in a place that is passed by millions every year. The rent would cover the costs to maintain the stations and bring a LOT of additional revenue to HSR. Take a look at Berlin Hauptbahnhof, and St. Pancras in London.

    synonymouse Reply:

    I concur about LA-SD just as I assert that Sacramento should be in on the starter line.

    political_incorrectness Reply:

    I have to agree on this one. The San Diego extension would be an extremely viable one due to the population centers connected. I am hoping they will have a stop in San Bernadino and hopefully they can convince a stop in Riverside. Would that generate enough traffic for a profit though since commuter services on high-speed tracks do not generate net revenue? It would benefit SDIA from opening up 31 landing and 31 departure slots into the crowded airport, probably more if SJC flights are reduced. It is a win win situation for the majority.

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