NY Times Screws Up A Story The LA Times Got Right

Jan 3rd, 2011 | Posted by

Last month the Los Angeles Times had a very good article about the debate over where to put HSR tracks on the Fresno to Bakersfield initial construction segment, focusing on the competing concerns of farmers and cities. About 1/3 of the article was devoted to a discussion of the benefits of HSR for the region, including interviews with residents and local elected officials who put the route dispute in context. The result was an article that accurately informed readers about the issues regarding the HSR route, but did not try to make it sound like the dispute was jeopardizing the project, because there’s simply no evidence that’s actually happening on that segment.

Today’s New York Times ran an article on the exact same subject, but with a very different outcome. The article, titled “Worries Follow Route of High-Speed California Line”, is not very informative to readers about the nature of the route dispute or what it means for the project overall. It is written to make it sound like the California HSR project is in trouble, especially in the Central Valley, which it simply isn’t. Not only does the article lack context, it takes quotes and information out of context, in order to put a bad spin on a project that is popular in the San Joaquin Valley.

MADERA, Calif. — The area just south of this agricultural city is not much to look at: miles of farmland, a collection of dingy fast food outlets and a gold rush ghost called Borden, where all that remains is a tiny cemetery devoted to long dead Chinese workers.

But sometime soon, this flat-on-flat expanse — about 150 miles southeast of San Francisco — may well be home to a first-in-the-nation destination as the initial northern terminus of California’s ambitious high-speed rail network….

Federal and state authorities have committed some $5.5 billion to the first leg of the project, which will connect Bakersfield, the valley’s southern hub, and the unincorporated area south of Madera.

Already you can see the problem here. Jesse McKinley, the author of the article, repeats uncritically the discredited and misleading argument that Borden will be the “northern terminus” of the initial construction segment. It won’t be. It’s just the northern end of the first part of a much larger project, selected because that’s where the tracks can rejoin the BNSF mainline if needed. Nowhere in this article does McKinley mention the two stations at Fresno and Hanford/Visalia, which along with the Bakersfield station will serve a combined metropolitan population of over 2 million. And only at the very end of the article does McKinley acknowledge that there is no intent at all to make dusty Borden an actual destination:

Mr. van Ark pleads for patience, saying, “This is not about building a line in the Central Valley.” And indeed, while the first link may run from Bakersfield to that ghostly area outside Borden, that is not the final destination anyone has in mind.

“This is all about building an intercity, high-speed network,” he said. “One must put that above where this will start.”

Look at how McKinley frames this. “Pleads for patience” – really? Van Ark is just telling the truth. The CHSRA is building a system from SF to LA, which just happens to be starting construction in the Valley. It seems clear that McKinley is trying to spin this to make the HSR project look bad.

Another example of the article’s spin is how Congressman Dennis Cardoza’s concerns about the route are handled:

But despite the potential bounty of jobs, high-speed rail has not been fully embraced. After the rail authority approved the initial route in early December, Representative Dennis Cardoza, a Central Valley Democrat, disparagingly referred to it as “the train to nowhere.”

“For the California High-Speed Rail Authority to choose this route is to significantly undermine the public’s trust, marks a gross misuse of taxpayer funds and will alienate significant supporters of the project,” he said.

Part of that agita, of course, may be that the first section of high-speed rail will not pass through his district.

“May be?” As we well know, Cardoza’s angry statement was solely the result of Merced being excluded from the initial segment and Cardoza’s concern that Merced was going to be excluded from Phase I entirely. Cardoza has been a strong supporter of the HSR project, but McKinley makes him sound like an HSR critic, and Cardoza is anything but that. McKinley didn’t provide that clear context here, and as a result, misconstrues the meaning of Cardoza’s statement.

McKinley’s lack of knowledge of the project leads to other errors:

But the congressman is not the only person complaining. Several towns have passed resolutions opposing the project because of worries about the disruption of a 220-mile-an-hour train zipping through downtown districts.

The only town in the Valley that has passed such a resolution, to my knowledge, is Chowchilla. Palo Alto and a few other Peninsula cities have passed such resolutions, but those did not reflect the actual views of city residents, aren’t about 220-mph trains, and in any case aren’t in the Valley. Gilroy would qualify under the criteria the author listed, but that’s about it.

McKinley also presents a one-sided view of local officials’ attitudes about the project:

And that uncertainty unsettles local leaders.

“The communication has just been atrocious,” said Mayor Robert Poythress of Madera. “If there have been any messages, they’ve been mixed.”

Ronald W. Hoggard, the city manager of Corcoran, to the south, echoes that sentiment, worrying that the big money involved in the high-speed project — the eventual price will be more than $40 billion — will roll over his small-town concerns. “When they talk about ‘the train to nowhere,’ we’re not nowhere,” Mr. Hoggard said. “We’re Mayberry.”

Of course, the mayors of Fresno, Visalia, and Merced (just to name a few) along with many county officials in Merced, Madera, Fresno, Tulare, Kings and Kern Counties have given a number of pro-HSR statements. But you wouldn’t know that from McKinley’s article.

About the only useful thing in the NYT article is the discussion of where to put the tracks in Corcoran:

Mr. Hoggard says Corcoran, a city of 26,000 — including 12,000 “guests of the state” at nearby prisons — had spent years painstakingly restoring its main street, repainting store facades and improving City Hall, and he worries that the train will distract from the city’s carefully shaped character.

“If they were to come through town, with an elevated track, at 85 decibels?” he said. “It’s just inconsistent.”

Mr. van Ark said elevated lines passing through city centers were a possibility, but he played down their impact on small-town life. “Trains do run through the centers of town in the rest of the world,” he said.

The Central Valley is accustomed to rail lines, with freight trains loaded with double-decker cargo cars rolling day and night. And Corcoran itself has a small, quaint Amtrak depot in its downtown core.

Van Ark is correct, though one can understand where Corcoran officials are coming from. And of course, if Corcoran were bypassed, that would mean impacts on farmers and wetlands, which would cause defenders of both to make their own arguments about why the tracks should go right through Corcoran.

As an article in the NYT, this would have benefited from drawing comparisons to the Acela, which does have some segments of track where trains operate at 150 mph – not quite 220, but close enough to make some comparisons. How do cities along those tracks handle the noise? Have they seen negative impacts from the high Acela speeds? Or has it not really affected anything?

The NYT would be providing some very useful information to readers by such a comparison, bringing valuable facts to bear on the conversation. Instead they seem content with a flawed article that doesn’t really do a good job of telling readers what’s really at issue in the Valley with HSR and what locals actually believe about the trains. That’s too bad – but then, we have the LA Times to provide a much better and more informed article on the topic.

UPDATE: In the comments, datacruncher noticed something is missing in the NYT map at right that accompanied the article. Can anyone guess? I’ll give you a hint: half a million people live there.

  1. JJJJ
    Jan 3rd, 2011 at 19:33
    #1

    The entire article seems like it was written two months ago, before the additional funds became available, and had been sitting around waiting for space to fill.

  2. Spokker
    Jan 3rd, 2011 at 19:55
    #2

    Off topic, but with the Grapevine closed yesterday and today, that Palmdale HSR detour doesn’t sound so bad. Instead of camping out in Castaic people could have planned ahead and taken the train.

    Spokker Reply:

    Good video of I-5 closure action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAgbwD5BJk8

    Robert Cruickshank Reply:

    10 years ago, on January 1, 2001, it took me 9 hours to get from OC to Berkeley, a trip I could usually make in about 5.5 hours. There wasn’t any snow or rain, just a LOT of holiday traffic, with speeds of 10-20 mph in the Central Valley on I-5.

    With I-5 closed and lots of traffic on 101, including some mudslides near La Conchita, HSR’s value would have clearly been shown with the effect of the storm. Even without bad weather, I have no doubt at all that trains will be packed to capacity during the peak holiday travel days.

    synonymouse Reply:

    If I read the story right 58 thru Tehachapi was closed too. Those Tejon base tunnels are the only way to avoid the snow problem. But none of this is the issue, which is securing for Palmdale a free BART to LA. That’s Bechtel’s Bell.

    BruceMcF Reply:

    Remember that you have to run across the San Andreas fault at grade.

    synonymouse Reply:

    Again my understanding is that there exists a Tejon alignment deploying 2 tunnels which would cross the San Andreas at grade but would have to cross the Garlock in tunnel. You would have to construct a large enough gallery to accommodate movement along the fault. This alignment was suggested by Old Pole Burner(who obviously works in railway signalization in the real world given his expert comments on that subject) on the Altamont Press site. It parallels I-5 to the east but is quite removed from Palmdale.

    It is clear that PB gave Tejon only the most cursory study, with the proviso that Palmdale was to be taken care of no matter what. This is totally unethical and contrary to the best interests of the state’s voters who entrusted this project to the “experts”.

    PB has neither the brains nor the balls to undertake the hsr. It certainly has no taste or vision either. California both deserves and can afford the elegant and permanent LA exit strategy. The third rate is just a waste of money.

    BruceMcF Reply:

    (who obviously works in railway signalization in the real world given his expert comments on that subject)

    It clear from what “that gave Tejon only the most cursory study, with the proviso that Palmdale was to be taken care of no matter what.”? Reiteration of claim is not evidence.

    “Old Pole Burner, who obviously works in railway signalization” is not reason to believe that the geological risk analysis was flawed, except as an act of faith required to reach your already-determined conclusion.

    synonymouse Reply:

    They never even considered the optimal Tejon route as they insisted that Palmdale be served in every option.

    Tehachapi is a third rate, third world dumbdown. Let’s kick this craven, arthritic compromise to the curb. California deserves getting the hsr right from the start. That requires the ideal alignment, which is most definitely not the antideluvian Loopy route, but rather Tejon tunnels

    You have to wonder if Sin City interests did not have something to do with the relocation of the hsr way to the east. Happily Indian gaming is laying waste to those denizens, a retribution that is very pleasant to contemplate.

    BruceMcF Reply:

    Adding insults without argument simply suggests that you have no argument to offer except for insult. Fortunately you demonstrate that you do not, eliminating the nagging uncertainty.

    adirondacker12800 Reply:

    Serving Palmdale is the optimal route. It’s a passenger train, it makes sense to bring the train to places where there are passengers.

    AndyDuncan Reply:

    Not that I have any illusions that posting this will change your over-medicated mind, but we’ve already been through this, OPB’s route, as shown on this map, is still a “Detour” and saves only 16-ish miles off the Authority’s route, while missing Palmdale (Metro Area population: half million).

    synonymouse Reply:

    Let Palmdale pay for its own BART.

    AndyDuncan Reply:

    What makes you think your tunnel-heavy option will be cheaper?

    thatbruce Reply:

    If by BART you mean an elevated grade-separated metro system with stops every 2 miles and a relatively low maximum speed of 80mph, sure.

    synonymouse Reply:

    A significantly shorter number of route miles to construct initially. Lower maintenance and operation costs over the long term. Plus faster schedules which generate more ridership and reduce platform employee hours per mile.

    The optimal route would be more likely to attract private operators, who would be better equipped to control labor costs. A better scenario and tighter ship all around.

    jimsf Reply:

    Palmdale/antelope valley is a significant part of la county and one of the state’s growth regions. If this were simply a matter of the PMD-la commute pattern than metrolink would be the answer. But its not about that for christalmightysake – what part of connecting state regions to other state regions with fast frequent service- which is in the end the prime purpose of hsr here, to do fail to grasp. People who live in the antelope valley are going to get the same shot at statewide access that people in the san joaquin valley and the IE, and the San Fernando Valley, and silicon valley, and the san gabriel valley, are going to get. If you can’t get that through your head then maybe you need to go down to your local community college and take a criticial thinking class along with english 1a reading and comprehension. Here’s a dollar, buy a clue.

    jimsf Reply:

    HAve you ever even been to californian before? or if you live here have you ever actually left your house?

    BruceMcF Reply:

    Why should the State of California pay the extra cost of your preferred option, when it is also a higher risk of a cost blowout?

    It really is obvious:
    Q: “What makes you think your tunnel-heavy option will be cheaper?”
    A: “A significantly shorter number of route miles to construct initially. Lower maintenance and operation costs over the long term. Plus faster schedules which generate more ridership and reduce platform employee hours per mile.”

    A significantly more expensive number of route miles to construct initially. The extra cost of tunneling you are proposing swamps all the savings you are setting against it. Plus the savings you are setting against it are inflated, because you omit the lost patronage out of the Palmdale area.

    And never mind the fact that when you specify this: “but would have to cross the Garlock in tunnel. You would have to construct a large enough gallery to accommodate movement along the fault. ” … you no longer have a 100-year investment in the tunnels, so the cost of the tunneling understates the capital cost, unless the discount rate is increase to provide compensation for the increased risk of, first, having bad local geology to tunnel through that cannot be gone around ~ especially if the rock being bored in the vicinity of the fault requires substantially more than expected shoring up around the location of the gallery.

    It easy to toss around insult after insult because you have got a bur in your saddle to throw away the money of the State of California, the Federal Government and who knows who else on a high risk gamble, but maybe after the example of all the money that Wall Street lost in high risk gambles, this is not the time to be proposing playing poker against geology to try to win six or so minutes when the potential losses are in the billions.

    Alon Levy Reply:

    You know, I’m increasingly convinced that the appropriate choice for CAHSR would’ve been to do engineering on both a Tejon and a Tehachapi option to see whether the Tejon option really can be done for the same cost, and choose the final alignment as late in the game as possible.

    Desert Xpress would make Tehachapi a lot more convenient, though.

    BruceMcF Reply:

    You know, I’m increasingly convinced that the appropriate choice for CAHSR would’ve been to do engineering on both a Tejon and a Tehachapi option to see whether the Tejon option really can be done for the same cost, and choose the final alignment as late in the game as possible.

    To answer synomouse’s objections? But he/she would just have a different objection.

    Alon Levy Reply:

    No, Synon has nothing to do with this. It’s just generally good practice to make decisions based on maximum information. If, for example, it turns out that the single potential alignment through Tejon is feasible, and that the geology is such that the cost escalation risk is no higher than for the Tehachapis, then Tejon becomes a much more favorable option.

    Based on currently available information the risks of Tejon are too high. But since van Ark made a decision to start from the Central Valley and delay LA-Bakersfield until later, there’s time to revisit Tejon vs. the Tehachapis without delaying the project.

    jimsf Reply:

    our san joaquin service south of BFD was cancelled all day. We rebooked all we could via the coast instead. One advantage to having more than one route. If nature takes out one ( mudslide/fire/ice) the other one is usually avail. PMD would add a third way. ( There have been times when we ran the buses via 58 and around. Why not today I don’t know. Perhaps the roads were just as bad there. Likely at that elevation.

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    Several things stood out in Spokker’s video clip. One that was surprising was how patched the road surface looked; seems that the loving maintenance that California used to lavish on its roads has not kept pace in recent years (in fact, in terms of surface condition, most roads in little West Virginia look better than this–another surprise). Second, that’s not much snow, but look what it does–much like a bit of a storm we had here recently. Of course, this part of the country doesn’t get the mudslides, fires, and earthquakes California does, but we do have our share of idiot, drunk, and agressive drivers who can bottle things up beautifully when their shenanigans go bad.

    Trains in Europe had weather problems recently, but that does not seem to be typical for trains in general in the snow, even in relatively “incompetent” America:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZCmwe0w2xk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwAJCuOafXs&NR=1&feature=fvwp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KA2uxY5eWc&NR=1

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    Which brings to mind, why did the European trains have so much trouble? The video clips I saw didn’t look like they got that much snow, at least by rail-blocking standards. What happened?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co5j66iEFYU&feature=channel

    What look to be worse conditions in the past, and in Great Britain at that:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl4pJwcE7JI

    Of course, things could still go wrong even in the old days:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymz6D8eFeUg&feature=related

    BruceMcF Reply:

    From what I gathered from the European Tribune while they were blogging their Europe.Is.So.Doomed Snow Edition, cutting back on public services, same as here

    Andre Peretti Reply:

    “why did the European trains have so much trouble?”
    In France, most of the trouble was due to management/unions confrontation.
    As some trains had to be slowed, work shifts got out of sync but drivers refused to work overtime and left their trains at the next station instead of driving them to their terminus.
    As the real reason for the paralysis was leaked to the media, some drivers were even assaulted by angry passengers. That persuaded the unions to be more flexible and the situation was back to near-normal after 2 days in spite of more ice and snowfalls.
    The unions have always claimed the SNCF’s “just-in-time” shiftwork management is unsustainable. The snow was a golden opportunity to prove their point but they really overdid it.
    Right-wing journalists ironically remarked that disruption didn’t happen where snow was thickest but where the extremist SUD union was the most powerful.

    Andre Peretti Reply:

    My comment was a bit harsh about unions. So, here’s is their position as explained on the radio:
    “Asking drivers to accept overtime was asking them to violate safety regulations, which they rightly refused. Teams ready to take over should have been available but the SNCF was unable to provide them, thus proving that tight-flow management doesn’t work. It can turn a few isolated delays into total chaos. Paralysis was avoided thanks to the dedication and sense of public service of the staff.
    It’s now clear for everyone that the current lean-workforce policy is counterproductive and destroys the company’s public image.”

    jimsf Reply:

    That’s always the case. You get what you pay for. You good reliable service you need enough employees on hand to safely handle situations. You want to run on a shoestring to pinch a penny then something gonna give, either customer service, or safety, or both. We see this over and over and over again in everything from retail to airlines. If you don’t wanna go through voice prompts and you’d rather talk to a live person, then you have to pay to employ the live person to answer the damn phone. Its not magic. Same goes for maintenance and safety.

    Of course living in fantasyland is so much more fun. Here in american we’ve been doing for almost 40 years now!

    BruceMcF Reply:

    And that does not explain the delays in Sweden or Germany or elsewhere, either.

    Alon Levy Reply:

    If those drivers knew that in Japan people work 30% longer hours, they’d shit bricks. Overtime is not a safety violation; it’s only a problem if workers aren’t getting adequately compensated for it.

    jimsf Reply:

    Fatigue is a real thing. Proper hours of work, limits and time between shifts is a real thing. There are plenty of times when no amount of overtime compensation makes up for health and safety concerns. Companies love to blather on about safety first… until it costs them a nickel, then everyone looks the other way. And The MINUTE something does go wrong the first they will do is try to string the employee up on safety violation. Thats the damn truth and you better believe it.

    Alon Levy Reply:

    There are other ways to improve safety. Evidently, Japan’s railroads are safer than those of Europe, despite the longer working hours. Even in the US trains run reasonably safely when the equipment isn’t FRA-compliant, and the drivers don’t work for Veolia or the Washington Metro.

    In France’s case, the hours aren’t even that long to begin with: the workweek is 35 hours. A little overtime would not create a safety hazard. And this really is little, since the routes in question aren’t overly long – for example, in the Riviera, the entire run from Nice to Marseille is about 2:30.

    thatbruce Reply:

    A little overtime would not create a safety hazard

    In a once-off, ’10 mins will see myself and my train back to my home base, and I know that management is already adjusting shifts to account for the drastically changing weather conditions’, sure. The (French) union’s stance is that ‘once-off’ events have a habit of becoming regular events, and it wasn’t evident that management was adjusting shift schedules to account for delays.

    In Japan’s case, the underlying employee outlook is different, with loyalty to the company and the service being paramount. The company needs you to perform overtime in order to maintain service? Certainly!

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    This is cool–newsreel from 1952, featuring the blizzard of that year that stalled the City of San Francisco and blocked the SP’s Donner Pass line for the better part of a week. This is the sort of snow that one would expect to block a railroad, but even then, as far as I know, this is the only time this railroad has been blocked in 150 years. . .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG59X7bMDpA

    From the same site, a flick about the Third Avenue El, for Adirondacker, Yes On, and Nathaniel (and Alon Levy, if he can spare the time).

    http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=weirdovideos#p/u/103/XEG4re43ub8

    jimsf Reply:

    yes here is what northern cali deals with all the time…… oh you’ll like this one.

    jimsf Reply:

    actually dp you like this one even better!

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    Hey, Jim, I’ve got a copy of that one at home! A classic indeed, and the complete version of it includes color footage of that stuck train.

    The sound of those big engines and steam-powered rotaries had to be amazing! The rotaries in use now are the old steamers, but with the insides stripped out for electric motors, the power coming from a diesel-electric coupled behind them. Interestingly, they still have a small self-controlled boiler to produce steam for melting snow, for heat, and the still steam-operated whistle, so that part of the past is still there.

    A narrow-gauge heritage railroad in Colorado, the Cumbres & Toltec, is in such mountainous territory that they have had to run plow trains to clear the line in early spring. Here is their narrow-gauge, and still properly steam-powered, rotary at work, an ancient machine from the 19th century.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha59KFvCQUY&feature=related

    Sound quality on this clip is far from the best, with a lot of skips for some reason, but this is on a tourist road about 90 minutes from me; this line, the Western Maryland Scenic, runs between Cumberland, Md., and Frostburg, and has been chartered for photo specials with freight equipment over the years. Here we see it in a winter charter.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-F78Jzcqtw

    Check out the narration on this clip:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn7Yvy4Vibk

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    I wish I could get over to Europe to see some things there. One of them would be the Harz Mountain Railroad in Germany, which runs regular services, including at least some commuter trains, with steam engines, complete with “hooter” whistles that sound like freight whistles on the Norfolk & Western from the steam days.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5CIUEdNHIc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMBShgVQXUo&feature=fvw

    You’ll like this, Jim, a bit of California in Oregon: Southern Pacific 4449, the only surviving and operational member of the Daylight series, on a leisurely winter excursion:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrQg26XVEeY

    Enjoy, and thanks for the clips you have, too. . .

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    Oh, I can’t neglect Nathaniel; some trolleys in the snow in Philadelphia, along with some snow sweepers. I don’t think these were needed in California; they were interesting in that they had a rotating “broom,” sort of like a big spinning bottle brush made of rattan, that swept the snow off the tracks, particularly in streets. Of course, they also had the habbit of picking up the snow, rocks, dirt, and chunks of ice, and throwing them at auto fenders and doors, store windows, and people’s knees. . .I know some people who would think that was fun!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGBkuaTMNqU

    Another sweeper at work, in Budapest:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm1PFx3ntAg&feature=related

    Back to Philly for more plain trolley action:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6vzN-1Gwss&feature=related

    Have fun.

    jimsf Reply:

    keep in mind that california people do not use snow tires. Back its a common routine every fall and spring to change out your tires for snow tires. Snow tires combined with mostly urban moderate snow on heavily traveled routes in new york and new england, which are well prepared for plowing, and where salt is used ( still?) is a mush different situation than how we deal with snow out here where instead, we use chain controls over moutain passes. Everyone is advised to carry chains but thats mainly over the sierra not in southern california. So none of those thousands of cars had chains in the trunk, nor are their any chain staff on the road to assist with installation on that route. We also don’t use salt out here. Event the seasoned boston driver can’t drive over a mountain in a snowstorm with regular tires and no chains.

    joe Reply:

    Consumerreports did a short blog entry on snow tires: Add Snow tires to a Prius and it will will out perform an SUV for traction & steering in snow.

    adirondacker12800 Reply:

    One that was surprising was how patched the road surface looked

    They patch a lot in California and then patch the patches. ( other warm places too ) If water gets in them it’s not a problem. If water gets in them in places where water freezes you then have a brand new pothole. They don’t tar the cracks either.

    Victor Reply:

    Come over here where I live in Yermo CA and say the cracked surface streets aren’t tarred, They are, One street called Armory Road is being replaced in Barstow CA from the ground up with new pavement(2 layers) and redoing the base while their at It. A part of Armory Road from Barstow Road to Muriel Drive just got a total repair as I mentioned, Other areas have new curbs and sidewalks installed. I don’t know what else is up for repair or replacement, But there are some road closures underway right now like a part of Mountain View Drive, So work is at long last being done and that city of about 40,771 people needed their streets worked on.

    jimsf Reply:

    You live in Yermo? wow. Hmm so is that a commute to barstow or the IE from there or something? Just curious We then you must support a DX stop at Barstow then.

  3. YesonHSR
    Jan 3rd, 2011 at 20:32
    #3

    These people are worried about their downtown being pretty and 12,000 inmates up the road?? The whole town is his existing on the state and federal dole… build the damn high speed rail through and covered with a pretty brick and some kind of steel and glass cover.. it’s not destroy the heart of Paris

    YesonHSR Reply:

    GOD this dragon shit is bad!!! got to check everything!!

  4. D. P. Lubic
    Jan 3rd, 2011 at 21:48
    #4

    One thing I have complained about for years has been that the newspaper and other media people often are unfamiliar with the subject matter they write about. This has lead to things like electric GG-1s “chugging” into a station (from stories about the retirement of the GG-1s in the 1980s), to Barack Obama riding to Washington in a “caboose” (if the office car Georgia 400 is a “caboose,” it’s the fanciest,longest, and heaviest “caboose” I’ve ever seen), to a story about a local freight train derailment (which was a “cargo” “express” running on a branch line good for 10 mph at the time, in which it was fortunate the “engine cars” did not derail). . .and the steam locomotive that had “been converted to a diesel” (was oil-fired, but still boiled water to run–heck, so many western engines were built as oil-burners running on cheap residual oil), and on and on. . .

    This has been going on a long time. I remember 1970s newspaper story about a derailment in Wheeling, W.Va., in which it was most “fortunate” that a “tank car” that rolled over was empty (this was at a time when there had been a number of incidents involving tank cars loaded with hazardous materials)–except that the “tank car” wasn’t a tank car–it was a covered hopper car (i.e., one used for grain or plastic pellets) that, while it did have rounded sides, also had its hopper outlets facing right at the camera!

    I’m not quite certain this critique entirely sums up what is here, but it’s a big part of it. Newspeople today seem to know journalism, but it is a refreshing and rare breath of air when you read an article, and it becomes apparent the writer actually understands what he is talking about.

    And in a parallel vein, what else is being written about and placed in the news that’s wrong, not from any attempt at slant but from ignorance of the writer, except that I don’t know enough about the subject to know the difference as I do here?

    BruceMcF Reply:

    The majority of reporting on Economics, for one. Dean Baker at Beat the Press may be a mainstream economist, but he’s consistent, which puts him heads and shoulders above the “make it up to fit the conclusion” reporting he frequently skewers on his blog.

  5. Drunk Engineer
    Jan 3rd, 2011 at 22:04
    #5

    Mr. van Ark said elevated lines passing through city centers were a possibility, but he played down their impact on small-town life. “Trains do run through the centers of town in the rest of the world,” he said.

    Sure, but not at 220mph.

  6. John Burrows
    Jan 3rd, 2011 at 22:53
    #6

    This stuff about Borden being the “Northern Terminus”— Without mentioning the fact that there will never be a station at Borden, and that no passenger will ever arrive at or depart from Borden, keeps appearing in different articles–to the point that “The Borden High Speed Rail Station” threatens to become an alternate world reality.

    I have replied to a number of these articles, but it’s like playing “whack-a mole”—they keep appearing.

    Couldn’t figure out how to comment on Jesse McKinley’s article, so I sent him an email–I’m sure the effect will be minimal.

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    You are not alone (from Mr. Setty and Mr. Demery’s Public Transit site):

    http://www.publictransit.us/ptlibrary/Expect_Print_Correction_2.htm

    http://www.publictransit.us/ptlibrary/Polhill_critique.htm

    While I was looking at the last post above, I also took a look at the Independence Institute link as well. Randal O’Toole is there, as noted below:

    http://transportation.i2i.org/

    I took a look at his “movie review” of the Hitchcock classic, “North by Northwest,” and I can only say the comments are, well, bizarre. In fact, much of the other material on the I.I. page looks like pretty strange thinking to me.

    I thought I was weird, being so old fashioned as to seem like I’m from a time warp, being a steam train fan and all, but these guys have me beat by miles and miles. . .

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    Speaking of O’Toole of course reminds one of Wendell Cox. Alon Levy has said these two are now pretty ineffective, enough so that Cox is relying on paid interns to fight his battles for him on websites like “The Infrastructurist.” If this is the case, I have mixed feelings about these two. . .

    On the one hand, Cox and O’Toole are wasting their sponsors’ money; it is amazing they get backing for the garbage they set out. On the other hand, maybe that’s a good thing that they do waste their sponsors’ money. . .ho, ho, ho, ho!

    How do they still get in print in HSR and light rail stories. . .oh, wait, the newspeople don’t know enough to laugh at them. . .

  7. datacruncher
    Jan 3rd, 2011 at 23:16
    #7

    Lots wrong in that article. Robert caught a lot but I see more wrong too.

    Borden is not a gold rush ghost town. It was founded as the “Alabama Colony” in 1869, renamed to Borden by the Central Pacific in 1872. Thats about 20 years after the gold rush.
    http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/12/20/2205511_p2/long-gone-madera-co-town-named.html

    Then the map on the article page leaves off Fresno. I guess they don’t want to show a city of 500,000 (and MSA of nearly 1 million) is in the area when saying the route only runs between very small towns.

  8. Victor
    Jan 4th, 2011 at 09:14
    #8

    Of course NY would get this wrong, They’d rather influence people to send any Federal Money to the NEC instead of to California. If I’m wrong Ok, But they are in competition with California for Grant Money and so they have a motive.

    StevieB Reply:

    Bay Area NBC did worse saying Borden would be the first stop on the rail network.

    Get ready to catch a fast train to Borden.
    What’s that? You weren’t planning to visit this abandoned gold rush town, where the main highlight is a tiny cemetery for railroad workers? Well, that doesn’t matter: it’s about to become the first stop in California’s new network of high speed rail.

    Robert Cruickshank Reply:

    What a ridiculous article.

    Donk Reply:

    Overall though, there seems to be very little threatening backlash over the updated route selection, just a few uniformed articles. The storm clouds were definitely hovering after the initial route was chosen over Thanksgiving. It seems like everything has gotten smoothed out pretty well since then. Either that or all the critics have taken the holidays off and are going to resume their attacks in January.

    Spokker Reply:

    “What’s that? You weren’t planning to visit this abandoned gold rush town, where the main highlight is a tiny cemetery for railroad workers?”

    Interesting that in order to make their point they had to insult these railroad workers. I’m not personally offedned, but I’m surprised that they were bold enough to publish that.

    Victor Reply:

    People should post there, The best thing to do is to fill in the blanks in their knowledge, Which is rather poor, But then I live near a Real Ghost town, Which is on Ghost Town Road in Yermo CA.

  9. Dan S.
    Jan 5th, 2011 at 18:09
    #9

    Speaking of taking stuff out of context, Robert, I think you should pay more heed to the part of your first block quote where you omitted a paragraph and replaced it with a dot-dot-dot! The snipped contents directly convey the fact that the portion being discussed is just an “inaugural stretch” of a complete system that connects SF, LA, SD, and Sac.

    I think you’re guilty of stretching the intent of this article to your own purposes, which I might deign to suggest is to occasionally manufacture some outrage to keep this (admittedly extremely cool) discussion current and active! :-)

    FWIW, I really don’t see the same nefariousness in this piece. Yep, it frames the issue of the initial segment choice for the means of evoking a little drama, but it also gives van Ark plenty of space for rebuttal. Point taken on the described resolutions by several towns being a stretch of the truth, and the choice of quotations does emphasize the critics instead of the benefits of HSR, but the controversy is the actual subject of the article, after all, and it does undeniably exist.

    Jesse McKinley, the author of the article, repeats uncritically the discredited and misleading argument that Borden will be the “northern terminus” of the initial construction segment.

    Doesn’t the veracity of this statement depend on the definition of “terminus?” Is it really not true that Borden is at the end point of the initial construction segment? I actually find the statement in the article to be true! In fact, if you expanded your objectionable quoted phrase by one word, you would see that the article calls it the “initial northern terminus,” which also, IMHO, weakens your line of attack here. You say, hogwash, the “initial northern terminus” is most certainly not the “northern end of the first part of a much larger project”? Seems like pretty shaky ground from which to mount an attack! :-)

    Anyway, excellent commentary overall, and thanks for the blog! Looking forward to another year of coverage!

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