Reviewing the CHSRA Peer Review Report

Dec 7th, 2010 | Posted by

Last month the CHSRA Peer Review Committee issued a very interesting and, I believe, insightful report that was sent to Speaker John A. Pérez. The report looks at a number of issues that the authors believe should be addressed for the project to be successful. Unlike previous reports such from the Legislative Analyst’s Office, the State Auditor, and the Berkeley Institute for Transportation Studies, the Peer Review Report makes sensible conclusions, refrains from using their report to make unfounded and baseless attacks on the project, and is offered in a spirit of making the project better rather than tearing it apart.

The areas covered by the report are as follows: Authority Staffing, Business Model, Management of Risk and Uncertainty, The Financial Gap between Currently Available Resources and Total Project Cost, Demand Modeling and Estimating, Need for a Revenue or Demand Guarantee, ROW and Alignment Availability, and Technical, Safety, and Seismic Issues. I’ll take each in turn.

Authority Staffing: The report says what we all know: the CHSRA does not have the staffing they need to make this project a success. Rather than attacking the Authority, they recognize that the staffing problem lies with the Legislature, and that the Authority can only be helped if it gets more staff to improve communications. The report relates this to the question of the Business Model, which is actually the most important part of their report – depending on the model chosen, there will be options available to the Legislature to reshape the Authority so that it is properly staffed, whether as a government agency or as something else entirely.

Business Model: As I said, this strikes me as the most important part of the entire report. Almost everything else flows from this. I’ll quote at some length from the text:

Although we will discuss a number of points below where we agree with comments submitted by the LAO or the State Auditor, we believe that the proposed business model for the HSR project has not received enough attention and yet is probably the critical organizing principle around which most issues will need to be resolved. By “business model” we do not mean “Business Plans” or “Strategic Plans,” or other reports by the Authority. Rather, we view the business model as a clear statement of the Authority’s intentions as to the roles to be played by each of the parties in owning, constructing, financing and managing HSR in California. Thus far, the Authority’s reports have discussed some of the options for a business model, but are lacking in the decisions that will be needed to establish the actual business model to be deployed.

In fairness to the Authority, it would have been premature to make these decisions prior to the implementation phase of the project. The Authority itself has recognized, however, that the project now has to move beyond planning and promotion to implementation and that will require that the business model for implementation be selected.

I’m almost shocked to see a report actually be fair to the Authority – the LAO, State Auditor, and Berkeley ITS all chose to make unwarranted attacks on the CHSRA, deciding to use their reports to attack the HSR project itself rather than make constructive suggestions.

And this is the most constructive of all suggestions. The Peer Review report is totally right when they say the problem isn’t the “business plan” (so no, Senator Alan Lowenthal, you have not been helping when you demand this) but the “business model” – how is the project going to be built and operated? This question hasn’t been answered yet, mainly because we’re only now at the point where it needs an answer. And the answer determines everything else, from Authority staffing levels to oversight to the business plan and funding.

The Peer Review report lays out the 5 different “business models” they envision:

1. “The fully public, mass transit model.” BART is their example here, where the HSR system is run the same way a public transit agency is run.

2. “The management contracting or “gross cost” franchising/concessioning approach. Under this approach, the Authority would plan, build and finance the entire system, but would contract with a separate, usually private, entity to operate and maintain it.” The report notes this is the model that Amtrak, Caltrain, and Metrolink use.

3. “A long-term “net cost” concession. The Authority would plan and construct a system to the basic capacity level expected by the Authority. Potential concessionaires would compete for a long term (15 to 30 years or longer) exclusive concession to operate the system.” The report notes this model is used in Brazil and the UK.

4. “The separated infrastructure approach. Under this approach, the Authority would design and construct the infrastructure and then allow (subject to control over schedules and dispatching by the Authority or its agent) a single operator or competing operators along with complementary operators to provide service.” This appears to be the model the EU is now mandating for HSR owners.

5. “An essentially private approach” – sometimes known as DBOM (design, build, operate, maintain) although in this case the private entity finances it as well. The model here is PG&E, a private monopoly which provides the electricity and natural gas services for Northern California.

The report also notes that there are any number of variations on these models that could be employed – but so far the Authority hasn’t yet made the choice. That choice shouldn’t be made by the CHSRA alone, I would argue – it needs to be made by the Legislature and the governor, and should be made in 2011 so that the rest of these project issues can be resolved. The report explains where matters stand now:

We understand from discussion with the Authority that adoption of the fully public model is unlikely. Other analyses have argued forcefully that a fully private model is also unlikely, because the balance of public and private benefits is not suited to purely private financing.

I’ve been making that latter point since the very beginning of this blog in March 2008. This project is not at all suited to purely private financing, unless we all want to relive the Taiwan HSR debacle (the system itself is successful, but the private funders had to be bailed out). I would much prefer a fully public model, but some kind of private operator would probably be acceptable.

Next up is risk:

Management of Risk and Uncertainty: Hope for the Best, Plan for the Worst

Both the LAO and the Auditor emphasize their belief that the Authority’s discussion of risk and uncertainty is too brief and too vague. We agree….

Risk management consists of assessing the expected cost and the variability in all the major cost and demand categories and identifying ways in which the cost and variability can be reduced. Both the estimated cost and the variability in the cost for each component of the project should be adjusted based on the stage of design, actual award prices and the stage of construction. Doing so will give the Authority and the public a much better sense of the reliability and variability of the engineer’s estimates. At this stage of the project, use of traditional methods such as an arbitrary 20 percent or 30 percent contingency applied to the engineer’s estimates affords no such confidence.

I would agree as well, but I don’t really see this as important. As part of a financial plan for investors, sure. But for the public? The bigger risk is that we do nothing, consigning our state to long-term recession as rising oil prices strangle our economy. It would be nice to see “risk” discussed in that broader context.

But in the end, this project is a political decision. The “risk” is that somehow the political will to build HSR will fail. I’m fine with the Authority adopting stronger risk management practices, but the CHSRA has no control – as the report acknowledges – over what Congress does regarding HSR funding, or whether a deal can be cut with China (for example) to fund the project.

Ultimately, I am very uncomfortable with the discussion of risk at all. I believe we should build this project anyway, even if the cost spirals out of control. I believe our society has erred significantly when it started believing that lowest cost was the most important factor in any decision, especially major infrastructure decisions. That doesn’t mean I expect huge cost overruns or that we won’t see efforts to keep costs down; there’s every reason to believe costs will be controlled. What it means is that I personally do not care about cost overruns or making this as cheap as possible, because I believe that’s a terrible way to build for the future.

The Peer Review report shines when it discusses the question of available funds. Whereas the State Auditor took a cheap shot at the project by blaming the Authority for the uncertainties around federal funding, the Peer Review committee gives a much more informed, and therefore useful, discussion of the matter:

The Financial Gap between Currently Available Resources and Total Project Cost

The lack of a clear financial plan is a critical concern. The group fully realizes that developing a credible financial plan is difficult depending, as it does, on a large number of decisions not yet made and on factors far beyond the control of the Authority. For example, in a deteriorating budget climate in which even large and highly beneficial projects such as the new rail tunnel from New Jersey to New York City are abruptly canceled because of a shortage of state funds to cover a potential overrun, and in which the likelihood of new large Federal funding programs appears small, there is an air of unreality about a plan that includes $17 to $19 billion in “free” Federal funding from programs that do not yet exist. The same can be said of the expectation for large local or State funding for stations and area development when local governments are highly stressed and when the finances of the State are sufficiently weak that a sale of $9 billion in State General Obligation bonds might only be possible (if at all) at unusually high interest rates.

For these reasons, the project, as of now, has only limited credibility with private investors. The demonstration of firm Public Sector financial commitments will be an absolute necessity, prior to approaching sources of private capital. In our discussion with Roelof van Ark, it is clear that the Authority recognizes the “chicken and egg” nature of the conundrum: the Authority cannot get private investment without a solid prospect that the project will be completed and it cannot complete the project without private investment that would make the project successful.

Overall I think this is right, but I have a huge quibble here. There is, right now, no reason at all to believe the Prop 1A bond money can only be sold at high interest rates. Treasurer Bill Lockyer has consistently been able to sell California debt at good, affordable rates. California is constitutionally barred from defaulting on its debt, and every other recipient of state funds except education takes a back seat to bondholders when it comes to spending money in California. So there’s no real risk that our bonds will face the kind of attack that Ireland and Greece have.

That being said, the report is quite right to note that there remains uncertainty about where the money will come from. The Authority will have to be upfront about it, and as the report acknowledges, this is a “chicken and egg” problem that the Authority is helpless to resolve.

Demand Modeling and Estimating

Both the LAO and the State Auditor point to the importance of having the best possible demand estimates. We agree that improvements should be sought both in the models themselves and in the transparency of the results….

The Authority must have demand and revenue forecasts that are reliable for policy and financial analysis; without them there is little basis for proceeding. We recommend that the Authority work with UC Berkeley and Cambridge Systematics on an expedited basis to complete the analysis of the issues in the demand modeling, especially biases in model coefficients and the reliability of the estimates, in order to develop estimates that are generally agreed to be the best that can be obtained. This does not mean that completely reliable estimates will ever be possible; instead it requires that the estimates should be improved as much as possible, and the likely range of error should be clearly defined and stated.

This is all quite reasonable and something I have expected the Legislature to insist for at least a year now. The project can only benefit from further refinements to the ridership model.

However, I do have to criticize the following section:

It is also important to assess what the risk of a poor demand estimate is and who should carry it. At one level, if the demand estimates are grossly optimistic (not an unknown result) then there could be an actual demand level below which the system should not have been built at all.

No, there won’t be. This outcome is not at all realistic. There is zero chance that the actual demand level would be so low that the system shouldn’t have been built, unless maybe there’s a superflu virus that kills 99.44% of the population and the survivors are too busy taking part in an apocalyptic war between good and evil to build a bullet train system. We have an overwhelming amount of evidence from around the world that HSR is very popular, and given our knowledge of both global warming and peak oil, we have further reason to believe that Californians will need and will use this train.

The question isn’t whether or not there will be enough riders. The question is instead exactly how the ridership estimates match the funding plan, which is again a function of the “business model.” The report does a much better job of describing other far more realistic demand outcomes:

There could be a somewhat higher demand level at which the operating costs can just be covered so there would be no “subsidy,” though a public contribution to capital might be needed. There could be a higher demand level at which the sum of the public and private benefits clearly exceed public and private costs, justifying building the system with an appropriate balance of public and private contribution. Finally, there might be a very high demand level at which the system is financially profitable and no significant public contribution is needed. The current demand estimates are not capable of defining these levels or of assessing the likelihood that any might be met.

This is correct, and if we want demand estimates that are designed to answer these funding and business model questions, then I’m all for getting those estimates.

I would add that this is another example of the shortcomings of CEQA: the current ridership numbers were created to satisfy the EIR/EIS process and not to actually plan the system operations. I’ve written before of the need for major CEQA reform, and this is further evidence of the need to dramatically change how we plan infrastructure in California.

Need for a Revenue or Demand Guarantee.

Both the LOA and the State Auditor challenged the possibility raised by the Authority that some of the initial demand risk will need to be shifted from the operator to the Authority by having the Authority guarantee a stated level of revenue or demand below which a payment would be triggered. Such a payment could be considered to be an “operating subsidy” that is prohibited under the terms of AB 3034.

We believe that this question is primarily relevant within the type of business model adopted.

Agreed again. The issue of the business model will help resolve this question. But what I really liked in this section is that the Peer Review committee took the opportunity to go after that absurd Alain Enthoven study. This is priceless:

The “Financial Risks” study also highlights the confusion between financial analysis, which is the basis for private sector involvement, and economic analysis, which is the basis for public involvement. The study makes a series of critical comments on the 2009 Business Plan and deserves careful attention and response from the Authority, as we share many of the same concerns. At the same time, the study is limited to financial analysis, while ignoring all of the reasons – consumer surplus, reduction of congestion on rural and urban highways, airports and airways, reduction of pollution and carbon emissions, and reduction of accident costs, among others – that would be included in an economic analysis to evaluate public involvement in the project. The treatment of public benefits was much more detailed in the 2008 Business Plan than in the 2009 Business Plan. The 2008 and 2009 Business Plans appeared to show that public benefits might be a significant multiple of purely financial benefits (revenue minus operating and private financial costs). Given the importance of the issue in the overall evaluation of the project, and the close interrelation of public benefits with demand forecasts, we strongly encourage the Authority to include a thorough and updated treatment of public benefits and costs in the 2010 Business Plan and to link these results with the definition of “operating subsidy.”

Exactly. HSR deniers are adept at talking about the financial issues, but they almost always leave out the broader economic picture, and as a result are either intentionally or unintentionally attacking the very basis of future prosperity in California. I strongly urge the Authority to take up the Peer Review committee’s challenge to continue discussing these public benefits, because they are enormous and vital.

We continue on:

ROW and Alignment Availability

One of the most important remaining physical and investment cost uncertainties in the project is the availability and cost of the ROW. This is partly because of the extreme opposition that the building of urban railroad segments always engenders (aggravated by the need of high-speed trains for an unusually straight and flat alignment), partly because of concerns previously expressed by the Union Pacific Railroad, , partly because of the continuing controversy of the Pacheco versus Altamont routes, and partly because of the uncertainty in the type of service to be provided between Anaheim and Los Angeles. The importance of these questions has thus far been minimized by the retention of alternatives, either for routes, or by use of tunnels or raised tracks….

It will be critical that the Authority move as quickly as possible to finalize the alignment. In addition, given the uncertainty of the resolution of litigation over the alignment, which might cause alignment re-routings or use of more than expected tunneling, the Authority should acknowledge the risks and develop an explicit approach to managing and minimizing them.

No argument here. It would be nice to see some sort of reform to CEQA that takes away NIMBYs’ power to use CEQA to undermine a project, but until we get that reform, this recommendation is one I strongly agree with.

And finally:

Technical, Safety and Seismic Issues

There has been limited information from the Authority regarding such issues as the type of track to be used. For example, what proportion of the project will be at-grade, in tunnel and/or elevated? These decisions will have significant cost implications. For example, analysis of the cost of the high speed rail project in China revealed that the cost of elevated track was approximately double the cost for at-grade track and the cost of tunnels was double the cost of an elevated configuration. Any decisions made by the Authority in this area will have significant financial implications for the project. The same can be said of train speeds and seismic-related issues. Specifically, train speeds in China, due to safety reasons, mandated that the track be grade- separated, either in tunnel or elevated. Also, given the seismic issues in California, larger foundations will be needed, resulting in higher system costs, perhaps by as much as 60 percent. The Authority needs to make a clear decision on these issues.

This is obviously related to the question of ROW and alignment as described above, and I’m all for making a quick and clear decision on this as well.

So overall I think this is a great report, laying out some issues that need to be addressed in order to get HSR built, and I hope the Legislature works in a positive, constructive way to get these resolved. As the report indicates, most of these issues aren’t a sign that the project is badly managed or that the Authority is evil. Instead it’s a reflection of a variety of factors that have brought us a point where reform, clarification, and decision is needed to ensure HSR is done right.

Ultimately, this report shows how you make constructive suggestions about the project, and illustrates the difference between studies that are merely vehicles to attack high speed rail (like the LAO, State Auditor, and Berkeley ITS reports) and those that are actually interested in making things better. There’s a lot to consider here, and as we head into a new year, with a new governor and a new Legislature, there are opportunities to fix what has to be fixed in order to get HSR built.

After all, the people of California have given their mandate that the project be built. There is no turning back and no quitting – there is only forward progress, to build California’s sustainable and prosperous future.

  1. Spokker
    Dec 7th, 2010 at 18:24
    #1

    Everybody’s got somethin’ to hide ‘cept me and my monkey.

    Aren’t they still studying a lot of these things anyway? Critics keep saying, “We don’t have the information!” Well, they’re working on it!

    Anybody can go online and read the reports on what they are considering and studying. I did it and I’m a moron. But if the expectation is that you want the final design, cost and goddamn schedule, no, you’re not going to get it yet.

    Spokker Reply:

    And I don’t think you’ll get a lot of answers until you actually build the damn thing and see what happens. There is so much uncertainty about a project that is, in all honesty, the antithesis of what America is all about, sprawl, pollution and cars. Those who are not comfortable with uncertainty will oppose the project. I don’t think there is any way to placate their fears.

    Forget about forging a consensus on this thing. There are enough global warming deniers and sprawl-lovers to ensure that. Simply forge ahead and never look back. The opposition is going to fight dirty and I expect the CHSRA to fight dirty if this is to get done.

    You only live once and you can either die in a state with high speed rail or without.

    YESONHSR Reply:

    CHSRA will never make EVERYONE happy ..and there never has been a project that did. CAHSR problem is this is the first really big one in along time for CA or the US and the internet makes every little item a major drama its terrible “news” item…which in the past most people never even heard of anything unless it was real big..only news people back then wanted to know was when they could use it..and were excited too!!

    Spokker Reply:

    Haha yeah, it’s like when anybody makes a criticism of someone else, it’s “(insert name here) ATTACKS (insert name here)” or “JON STEWART PWNS BIRTHER!!!” It’s all a bunch of bullshit. Here, the report on CAHSR is “scathing” when it’s just a bunch of obvious crap that everybody already knows about.

    Oh, no, what happens if nobody rides it??? Well then it was a failure and we wasted billions of dollars. Wouldn’t be the first time or the worst time. I know of an $800 billion/year budget that could use quite a bit of trimming. Trim enough and we could build unneeded train routes for shits and giggles and still come out ahead.

    synonymouse Reply:

    @ Spokker
    But if you spend the billions on a breakthrough capital improvement you will end up with something with unquestionable utility today, tomorrow and over the long term. Electric railway technology makes a tunneling solution possible that is not available to freeway builders.

    Most of the population and the money in the Golden State reside in the SF and LA megalopolises
    Contrary to the dogma worshipped here the express racetrack approach is the one that offers the greatest and surest path to success and viability for the hsr.

    wu ming Reply:

    nearly all of the population in CA resides near the current HSR line, and all but redding and monterey county are on the 2nd stage expansions. it is the height of idiocy to save a few minutes cutting out a huge underserved part of the state. you’d lose far more in ridership than you’d ever gain in speed.

    the only dogma being worshipped here is your transparent disdain for the millions of californian citizens and taxpayers who live in the valley and inland empire.

    Eric M Reply:

    I think you said it just right. There is still a lot of unknown because the route is still being decided and the engineering is just beginning.

    YesonHSR Reply:

    And the ridership issue is also being overblow..these trains will be FULL even today’s Amtrak California service with top speeds of 79 miles an hour are full many days especially the weekends… so it’s a bunch of hogwash when critics of the project state their opinion that the trains will be running empty.. though I tend to agree with some that 8trains an hour from San Francisco is a bit future overkill planning for today. thou look at the gas prices already this year who knows what will be by 2020.

    Robert Cruickshank Reply:

    Yep. And the report recognizes this, generally speaking, and yet makes some good recommendations about how to get there from here.

    It was refreshing to see a report on HSR that made suggestions but did not do so out of a desire to destroy the project or out of massive ignorance about the need for and global success of HSR.

    This project gets built if more reports like this get written and heeded. This is what oversight should look like. Alan Lowenthal could learn a thing or two.

    StevieB Reply:

    Alan Lowenthal does not care about transportation not moving freight out of the port of Long Beach.

  2. Alon Levy
    Dec 7th, 2010 at 20:46
    #2

    I have the opposite perspective as yours. I don’t see the report as moderate or supportive, but as neutral, like those annoying papers whose main conclusion is “more research is needed.”

  3. John Burrows
    Dec 7th, 2010 at 21:56
    #3

    Today oil futures briefly exceeded $90 per barrel, the highest in over 2 years. As the world economy recovers the price of oil is only going to go up—probably nothing like the spike we had in 2008—just steadily upward— but you cannot say for sure. In 15 years who knows: but 2 years ago crude oil futures hit close to $150 per barrel, accompanied by a spike in train travel.

    A formula could probably be developed linking CAHSR ridership with the price at the pump, but in any case the price of gas in 2025 is going to have a huge effect on how many people use the trains.

    Any new ridership estimates or any reworking of existing estimates should assume that gas prices will be much higher by the time CAHSR is fully operational.

    Looking 15 years into the future, it would be far better to have a high speed rail system facing revenue shortfalls due partially to the fact that crude oil prices had not increased as much as expected, than it would be to not have a high speed rail system in a situation where gas prices had spiraled uncontrollably upward to way beyond $200 per barrel.

    John Burrows Reply:

    I meant to say “where crude oil prices had spiraled uncontrollably upward.”

    YesonHSR Reply:

    And airplanes..Iv read 150-200 bucks a barrel and air travel is very expensive..ie 1950s model prices SWA fuel hedge wont help them that long

    RubberToe Reply:

    “Looking 15 years into the future, it would be far better to have a high speed rail system facing revenue shortfalls due partially to the fact that crude oil prices had not increased as much as expected, than it would be to not have a high speed rail system in a situation where gas prices had spiraled uncontrollably upward to way beyond $200 per barrel.”

    This is about the most well stated argument in terms of looking at things from 15 years in the future that I might have ever seen. It also represents a perspective that virtually no one is taking. It’s all about the here and now, unfortunately. Good job John!

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    “Looking 15 years into the future, it would be far better to have a high speed rail system facing revenue shortfalls due partially to the fact that crude oil prices had not increased as much as expected, than it would be to not have a high speed rail system in a situation where gas prices had spiraled uncontrollably upward to way beyond $200 per barrel.”

    Translation: This is an insurance policy against the almost inevitable rise in oil prices over the long term, and very likely an insurance policy against the unavailability of gasoline at any price. Recall that in the wake of the Katrina episode, an oil refinery that normally shipped to Kentucky and Tennesse was out of service. That was one part of the country that never saw gasoline go to $4 per gallon, because it ran out first.

    I’ve said it before, and it looks like I have to keep saying it because of naysayers, but our “American way of life” has got to change. We need HSR, and the traditional stuff, too, including the local and regional trains, and local and interurban trolleys. If the oil situation goes the way it looks like it could go, we will be able to afford those local and connecting services that were the first to die so long ago.

  4. Emma
    Dec 7th, 2010 at 22:16
    #4

    1. “The fully public, mass transit model.”
    This sounds perfectly plausible and I think the huge majority had such a model in mind. The whole system should be run by a single, state-owned enterprise. The monopoly is good in the way that the single authority has a full oversight over plans; the status of trains, rails and stations; and that all revenues can be collected to a single fund that invests in larger projects.

    2. “The management contracting or “gross cost” franchising/concessioning approach.
    Yeah, we see how that works out… No thank you.

    3. “A long-term “net cost” concession.
    I don’t really get this one. What’s the prupose? So, yu would have to make 30 year deals with some sort of authority? And if so, what authorities come in mind? I hope we are talking about SNCF, Deutsche Bahn, or JR, state-owned companies with years of experience. NOT some American-based authorities that only care about the profit.

    4. “The separated infrastructure approach.”
    This sounds interesting. However, I’m against competing operators due to what I have seen in Germany and the UK. Privatization also means less reliability since it will be extremely complicated to make plans compatible to each other. On top of that, I really don’t think that the EU proposal will bear any fruit.

    5. “An essentially private approach.”
    No way.

    Drunk Engineer Reply:

    6. Blank Check approach.
    Route alignment is planned out by private contractor, who just happens to be (surprise! surprise!) the very same firm that gets to build the project. 6k parking spaces. 60′ aerials. Iconic bridge. Value engineering is for sissies!

    Alon Levy Reply:

    It all depends on your definition of value. For some people, it’s very much value engineering.

    jim Reply:

    Back where I come from, a firm with a “management support” contract on a project is barred from bidding on the implementation contracts on that project. Are things different in California?

    Alon Levy Reply:

    Yes. New York rules are different from California rules. They’re not any better – they force agencies to design byzantine specs that scare off any bidder competent enough to get private sector work – but they’re different.

    Nathanael Reply:

    #1 through #4 are OK. #1 is best, but if#2-4 are easier to fund, they are tolerable compromises.
    I don’t like #3, but it works out OK in the long run. #2 is actually much more effective than it sounds, based on experience.

    #5 is totally unacceptable, and you can ask any PG&E ratepayers how well it works.

    jim Reply:

    5. “An essentially private approach.”
    No way.

    #5 is totally unacceptable

    Suppose late next year or maybe mid-2012 as the NEPA/CEQA process winds down and the Authority can see its way clear to fully defining and acquiring (with money that doesn’t have to be matched) the ROW, it becomes clear that there will be no more federal money. Perhaps the Surface Transport Reauthorization has been passed and contains no reference to HSR, except for some vague NEC language. Perhaps the 2012 Appropriation contains no HSR money. What is the Authority to do?

    I would argue that it should put out an RFP seeking proposals from deep-pocketed entities to, at their own expense, Design, Build, Operate and Maintain for an indefinite period HSR along the Authority provided ROW. It may well be that there will be no responsive proposals. It may well be that the Authority won’t be able to negotiate an acceptable contract with any of the proposers. But the alternative is failure.

    Peter Reply:

    Also recall that with option 5, there would be no AB 3034 constraints, as it would not be using bond funding. The private entities could decide on their own what segments they want to prioritize and where they would want to build stations, etc.

    jim Reply:

    That’s actually an interesting legal question. I am sure that it would use bond funding. Any half-sentient proposer would request State construction subsidies equal to (or a little higher than) the remaining available bond funds. They would know the money’s on the table and wouldn’t leave it there. I don’t know whether a successful proposer would thereby be bound by AB 3034.

    Peter Reply:

    I would expect them to be bound by AB 3034 for the segments funded by the bond funding.

    jim Reply:

    How does anyone outside the company know which those are?

    Peter Reply:

    I’m not sure, but I would assume they would have to have give an accounting of where all the bond money went, and the bond money would also only be released if AB 3034′s requirements were fulfilled.

    Elizabeth Reply:

    The bond money has to be officially appropriated in the state budget. Same hoops to jump through. Presumably the release of money (after appropriation) would be contingent on meeting certain milestones (think availability payments) and contribution of equivalent private dollars.

    Peter Reply:

    Exactly.

    What I meant earlier though, was that a fully privately funded system that did not rely on AB 3034-related bonds for construction of the system (I’m thinking China’s offer) would not require compliance with AB 3034′s strictures.

    And yes, I know that China, or Japa, or South Korea have not made any concrete offers. I’m thinking about “what ifs”.

    jim Reply:

    Here’s a what if. What if a front for the Chinese government says it’ll build the starter system and operate and maintain it, but it’ll need an $8B construction subsidy. It’ll combine the Cali $8B and the Chinese $umpteenB and use the combined money to build the system. You’re the negotiator for the CHSRA and you ask them to provide an accounting for the $8B. They say their accounting system won’t support that and why do you want it anyway. You negotiate what you think is a pretty good agreement, given the imbalance, and you go to the legislature for the $8B (or maybe you got them down to $7.5B). They don’t get to make the release contingent. Either they provide the money as specified in the contract or they don’t. If they don’t there’s no contract.

    People have a tendency to think of AB3034 as somehow sacrosanct. It isn’t. Much of it is unenforceable. What will happen if they build a 21st station? The State Police will come and close it down?

    Peter Reply:

    I doubt it’s very difficult to say “This money was used for this, and this money was used for this.” Money is fungible, though, so, as long as the accounts are balanced at the end of the day, it’s kind of irrelevant. I’m just saying that bond funding would have to be used in compliance with AB 3034. So you would have to say “This is where it’s being used”. Otherwise I doubt if the money would be released.

    BruceMcF Reply:

    But jim, if its a Chinese front we are talking about … uhm, its Chinese nationals doing the negotiating, right? So they’ll say, no problem, here’s the plan, they are going to comply with AB3034 in every detail, here’s the funding guarantee (from the government or another front for the government) equal to over $8b, the usable segment they plan to build is “the whole damn Phase 1″, they want the HSR Prop1A bond money released.

    Now, y’all make sure that they’ve spent at least a dollar of their money for each dollar of bond money released, and as we are well aware, 50:50 match only gets so much done.

    Once the Prop1A bond money has already been spent, that’s when the notifications that this or that aspect of AB3034 is not feasible and so will have to be varied will start arriving.

    thatbruce Reply:

    @jim: What will happen if they build a 21st station?

    The wording (AB3034 2704.09.d) puts a cap on the total number of stations to be served by High Speed trains within the initial corridors (24 actually), within the context of “The high-speed train system to be constructed pursuant to this chapter. This doesn’t block extra stations being present in the system as long as those stations aren’t served by High Speed trains (those capable of over 200mph as per 2704.01.d), or extra stations being constructed using non-Prop1A funds, or a future change in which set of 24 stations are served by High Speed trains.

    After all, Agencies whose service routes partially overlap those of the CAHSR shouldn’t be barred from operating their own stations, even if they happen to be using HSR-compatible equipment.

    BruceMcF Reply:

    3. “A long-term “net cost” concession.
    I don’t really get this one. What’s the purpose? So, yu would have to make 30 year deals with some sort of authority? And if so, what authorities come in mind? I hope we are talking about SNCF, Deutsche Bahn, or JR, state-owned companies with years of experience. NOT some American-based authorities that only care about the profit.

    This is a normal franchise. You set the franchise conditions, the terms that break the franchise deal, set it up to bid ~ some mix of access fee, net revenue share and rolling stock share to meet the minimum service commitment.

    On paper this gives a guarantee of meeting the AB3034 conditions if they are part of the franchise conditions, contingent on having at least one bidder.

    4. “The separated infrastructure approach.”
    This sounds interesting. However, I’m against competing operators due to what I have seen in Germany and the UK. Privatization also means less reliability since it will be extremely complicated to make plans compatible to each other. On top of that, I really don’t think that the EU proposal will bear any fruit.

    Under a normal franchise, complementary services can be put out to individual bids, and access can always be reserved for non-competing operations running under a pure access fee arrangement. How much the main franchise operator gets to say about distribution of access across the clock is a key question. On the one hand, if there is expected to be slack capacity, being generous with complementary access timing is a way to up the ante in a bid with next to no up-front cost, but on the other hand, opening the door to a “says its complementary but its really aiming to cherry pick our business” operation can undermine the financial upside of the deal. So generosity on when a complementary service can run combined with stringent terms of what constitutes a competing service would not be surprising.

    Risenmessiah Reply:

    1.5: A hybrid between full mass transit and a permanent concessionaire….

    Basically, the Division of Rail at Caltrans should be broken out and merger with the Authority after completion of the project. That way, you would have maintenance carried out on statewide infrastructure done under one roof. Then, split out operations into a statewide government corporation that would operate HSR, Amtrak California, and commuter rail. Local entities would retain Metrorail, BART, Muni, VTA, et al.

    Alon Levy Reply:

    JR is not a public company. JNR was, and due to politically mandated inefficiency it collapsed under a pile of debt and got broken up and privatized. The mainland JRs are now fully private, though they act much more like SNCF and DB than like Virgin Trains.

  5. Kenb
    Dec 8th, 2010 at 00:36
    #5

    Different approaches can work. If the train operators are public they have to think as if they are a quasi-bussiness. If the operators are private than they need to be held to certain regulation that reminds them that they are providing a public service. Its in the public interest that the trains are run at least with some profit, because the opposite adds burden to the tax payers in this state. A private company, however, wants to make maximum profit. In this case that might come by running fewer trains with highest possible fares, thus catering to wealth travelers and bussines travelers only. If a private option is used, there must be requirement that the operator provide a certain number of seats at a lower cost. Also, perhaps discount programs for students, seniors, vets etc.

    rafael Reply:

    Minimizing the number of trains and maximizing ticket prices does not equal maximum profits. For railroads, the depreciation and maintenance costs of the fixed infrastructure are so high that the best approach is usually maximizing revenue by running a fairly large numbers of trains and offering various discounts on tickets to secure high seat capacity utilization. In this regard, passenger rail differs sharply from freight rail, primarily because people demand transportation at much higher speeds, greater comfort and very high safety.

    Alon Levy Reply:

    I don’t know a single HSR line that does what you propose. In Europe, the initial frequencies are very low. Ditto Japan, whose initial Shinkansen frequency was 2-3 tph if I remember correctly. In Korea and Taiwan the initial frequency is much higher, but instead of special discounts, there are normal ticket prices, at a slight premium over conventional service. Korea has managed to wring high seat capacity utilization out of it, because its TGV-derivative trains have low capacity; Taiwan has much lower capacity utilization, because its Shinkansen EMUs have high capacity.

    joe Reply:

    The point stands, we be more successful with more service and lower prices than less service and higher prices.

    The argument about a private company needing to make a profit — it’s both an artificial and superficial argument. The profit/loss calculation isn’t required to be on a per plane basis.

    Airlines have operated flights and routes at a loss to maintain capacity hold on to gates and keep travelers using air travel and not switch to alternative modes of transportation. They can run a lux car with space and amenities and higher density cars for the lower cost travelers – assuming they’re is a market.

    For the airlines, less users of first class and more interest in economy class plus.

    wu ming Reply:

    taiwan has discounts of 15% in morning, evening and weekends, and 35% on really early, really late, or off-peak times of the week (i got a great deal traveling the evening of chinese new year, when anyone sensible was already home and drinking baijiu with the fam). where i come from, over a third off the price is a bit more than slight.

    Alon Levy Reply:

    True, Taiwan has discounts based on time of day. But it’s still not the various yield management strategies and early-on discounts used on SNCF and the likes. That’s what I meant.

    And I’m not endorsing a strategy of jacking up fares and running less service; that would be stupid. I’m endorsing a strategy of setting a middle of the road fare, and running as many trains as necessary to meet demand.

    Although Altamont is overall better than Pacheco, Pacheco does have the advantage of concentrating frequency, which should be milked to the maximum this way. With just one trunk line, if CAHSR traffic is at a point when frequency is at all relevant, then it means it’s missed ridership projections by a huge margin.

    Richard Mlynarik Reply:

    Very astute analysis there.

    Now I wonder: why doesn’t Caltrain operate a train every two minutes every hour of every day of the weelk?

    dave Reply:

    Because speed and convinience have not caught up to rising fuel prices, poor transfers meaning less demand. The current system has it’s peak and so far it’s hit that peak and ridership has nowhere to go but down unless either significant speed or convinience or even stable fuel/energy (lower ticket prices) catches up then the resulted demand will support more trains. But you already knew that Mr. Expert.

  6. orulz
    Dec 8th, 2010 at 06:56
    #6

    Robert, I disagree with your assessment of the whole concept of “risk.”

    You say “Ultimately, I am very uncomfortable with the discussion of risk at all.”

    This is would be a tremendously poor project management practice. Even if it is decided that this HSR line must be built no matter what, to ignore the concept of risk would be preposterous. Sorry, but if you’re talking about a $40 billion project, you are going to need to GET comfortable with a discussion of risk.

    I think you are assuming that the risks all revolve around the project not getting completed. This is very, very wrong. Risks could include unanticipated technical challenges, natural disasters, financial or political issues, labor disputes, contractors going out of business, price volatility of energy and raw materials, etc. Every single one of these risks in every segment and every phase of the project absolutely MUST be meticulously identified, assessed for impact to the project (cost, timeline, and probability), and a plan to mitigate them created. Without mitigation measures in place, the project management team is completely in the dark.

    TomW Reply:

    Risk management involves studying what could wrong, what the outcome would be, and how to reduce either the liklihood or severity of the risk.
    For example, the Authority has some information about the geology along the route, but there is a risk that a tunnel might run into something bad in the middle of a hill, dramatically increasing costs and construction time. That risk can be mitigated by drilling exploratory bore-holes along tunnel’s route, so that the geoelogy is known exactly ahead of time.

    Risk mitigation also means you have a plan in place for when things go wrong, rather than hoping they won’t and looking like a headless chicken when they do.

    Dan Reply:

    Agreed 100%

    The best was for costs to escalate out of control is by insufficient risk-management upfront. I am in the “build HSR at any cost” camp, but it is foolish to pay high rates for late-engineering-changes when they can be avoided. In the current recessionary environment, construction bids will probably come in MUCH lower than anticipated; if the routes are well engineered and properly risked we can get quite a lot of track for our $$$

    Robert Cruickshank Reply:

    Agreed. I’m not opposed to that discussion, and I understand its purpose and value. I’m just uncomfortable with it because it tends to produce outcomes that prioritize cost savings over good design and operations.

    Richard Mlynarik Reply:

    … over good design and operations.

    What alternate, utterly disconnected reality are you living in where CHSRAPBQD have produced a single “good design” or anything even remotely, tangentially related to “good operations”?

    Where exactly have the trade-offs against the “priorities” of “cost savings occurred”? (Hint: compare with the “compromises” that your brave president managed to extract this last week.)

    We get maximal cost, negative risk management, worst alignments and negative attention to operations (a href=”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTKn1aSOyOs”>Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down? That’s not my department”) Win-win-win-win out of the box synergy for USA USA Number One!

    thatbruce Reply:

    I’m liking the ‘independent utility’ clause in the initial round of funding; it results in infrastructure that is viable should the overall CAHSR plan fail.

  7. TomW
    Dec 8th, 2010 at 07:08
    #7

    Minor correction Robert… the UK’s railways actually operate ona mixture of 3 and 4. The majority of rail services are run by franchisees, who get given a contract of 5-15 years to run the services in a given area (like #3). However, there are also “open access” operators, who run services not supplied by the franchisees, and they pay track access fees to cover the cost to the infrastructure provider (like #4). The open access operators have to prove their buisness model deosn’t depend on abstracting revenue from franchised operators.

    My preferred solution for California… the governnment retains ownership of the infrastructure, and charges access fees to operators to cover its costs. To ensure service on day 1, they let out a franchise (say 15-20 years) to run a given number of trains. The franchise gets a monopoly for the first five years to allow things to bed in, and after that, any company can run trains.

    Dan Reply:

    Another point to make in defence of this: For services like Desert Express to connect thru-trains into the CA-HSR system, the state will have to at least partially adopt the “separated infrastructure approach”. This approach would also probably accelerate the development of services which extend down to San Diego or up past Sacramento (using legacy tracks at a lower speed)

    BruceMcF Reply:

    You are just repeating what I said, in greater clarity, fewer words and ten hours before I said it. Darn wall of comments.

    Dan Reply:

    Perhaps you thought of it first? I’m a fairly quick/skilled typist; i can beat most to the punch!

    Agreed on the “wall of comments” … gotta do something about that.

  8. rafael
    Dec 8th, 2010 at 07:26
    #8

    @ Robert Cruickshank -

    “That being said, the report is quite right to note that there remains uncertainty about where the money will come from. The Authority will have to be upfront about it, and as the report acknowledges, this is a “chicken and egg” problem that the Authority is helpless to resolve.”

    Gov. Schwarzenegger and the state legislature have indeed tasked CHSRA with rustling up tens of billions in non-state funding, which IMHO makes little sense. The project is fundamentally a political ambition, therefore it is up to politicians to sell it to Congress and private investors.

    CHSRA ought to be in a supporting role in making those pitches. Superficially, that means preparing and presenting the planning and engineering documentation necessary for proving that the project is on track in terms of legal requirements (e.g. CEQA process) and in terms of keeping costs under control.

    It is in this latter respect that CHSRA has so far failed badly: it has allowed PBQD to steer the planning process in a direction that will maximize revenue and profits for the infrastructure construction industry rather than maximizing benefits for taxpayers. In particular, it has failed to secure dedicated headcounts from the regulating agencies (FRA and CPUC) to cut through the red tape that currently prevents delay and cost containment strategies such as sharing track in the SF peninsula and LA basin. It has also failed to prioritize timetable design with a view to minimizing the amount of infrastructure that will need to be built (incl. platform tracks at major stations).

    However, some of the blame for that again lies with the state legislator. Instead of leveraging the HSR project to reduce state and county taxpayer subsidies for legacy rail operators, they tasked CHSRA with delivering only HSR service. Inevitably, this has created bureaucratic fiefdoms and hindered much-needed integrated planning aimed at maximizing transportation value per taxpayer dollar.

  9. Mark
    Dec 8th, 2010 at 11:10
    #9

    “There is, right now, no reason at all to believe the Prop 1A bond money can only be sold at high interest rates. Treasurer Bill Lockyer has consistently been able to sell California debt at good, affordable rates.”

    Unfortunately, this statement is much more “iffy” than one thinks. First of all California has the lowest credit rating in the nation and along with Illinois, pays the most when issuing debt. More importantly, however, for a number of reasons (significant rise in U.S. Treasury yields, possible end to the Build America Taxable Bond Program, extension of Bush Tax Cuts, significant new issue municipal bond supply, more clarity on state and local government balance sheets etc…), the California and national municpal bond market has had a substantial selloff over the past three weeks. Take a look at the front page of Sunday’s New York tTmes and the article about the municipal bond market (sorry, couldn’t add the link) for a little more color on this topic. It is going to be much harder and much more expensive than anyone thinks to issue the $9bln of debt the voters approved for HSR….

    BruceMcF Reply:

    The kind of people who buy state bonds are the people who are experiencing the recovery to date. The biggest issue up in the air is the tax benefit of state bonds.

    Week to week changes in the market for state bonds are not secular shifts, endlessly fascinating though they may be to the players in the game itself. The big secular change in public finance in the last three weeks is the reduced likelihood that the Bush bonus tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires will be repealed, and that will of course be reflected in the price obtained for federal income tax exempt interest income, but that is a one-off secular shift, not an ongoing trend.

    adirondacker12800 Reply:

    Bruce, I hope you phrased it that way for clarity’s sake, I hope we are talking about the same thing. The Bush tax cuts weren’t going to be repealed. If Congress hadn’t acted they would have expired. Nothing there to repeal….

    BruceMcF Reply:

    If the bonus tax cuts are allowed to expire while the lower, middle and upper middle class tax cuts are entrenched, that is a reversal of Bush’s policy, which were indeed de jure temporary but with every intention of extending them indefinitely (just as there is de jure a date at which Mickey Mouse passes into the public domain, but it always happens to be a decade later than it used to be ten years ago).

  10. Al-Fakh Yugoudh
    Dec 8th, 2010 at 17:38
    #10

    In reference to # 4. This is the new private operator which will commence service in 2011.

    I’m in favor of that approach. Monopolies suck, no matter which business.

    http://www.ntvspa.it/en/index.html

  11. Nadia
    Dec 8th, 2010 at 17:56
    #11

    From the website Gas 2.0 whose description reads “Since 2007, Gas 2.0 has covered a rapidly changing world coming to terms with its oil addiction”

    California’s High-Speed Rail Off to Awful Start

    http://gas2.org/2010/12/08/california%E2%80%99s-high-speed-rail-off-to-awful-start/

    jimsf Reply:

    stupid article. They didn’t even get the picture right.

    Dan S. Reply:

    I *support* the CAHSR system *because* I want us to get off our oil addiction. How do we make a big dent in changing the way we use cars and jets in this state? We build a system between SF and LA. Again with the moping about starting with just 65 miles in the CV. It’s part 1 of phase 1, folks. We don’t need to run a 50-mile train system to get everyone excited about the project. Listen, the project is green-lighted already. No small steps required, we’re going for giant leaps!

    Hah, I give that blog five stars for shooting its own message in the foot!

    YesonHSR Reply:

    Another reason the net really full of shit

    Peter Reply:

    The author’s description: “Chris DeMorro is a writer and gearhead who loves all things automotive, from hybrids to Hemis. You can follow his slow descent into madness at Sublime Burnout.”

    I guess that makes him an expert.

    Robert Cruickshank Reply:

    And others who write about our oil addiction, like James Howard Kunstler, think the HSR projects are too little, too late. Still others understand their value and utility, recognize the political and financial limitations, and agree we should get started as quickly as we can.

    The whole “train to nowhere” argument is a lie, but because of our sick political culture, where facts and evidence are no longer desired or welcomed, it gets traction. It’s frustrating.

    Alon Levy Reply:

    Has Kunstler actually said HSR is “too little, too late”? Everything I’ve seen by him on the subject says that he’s against HSR, and prefers that the US concentrate on restoring the rail network to its steam-era glory.

    Caelestor Reply:

    Is he being sarcastic?

    Alton in Big D Reply:

    Kunstler believes, in short, in apocalyptic peak oil. That the loss of cheap energy will be so catastrophic to our society that the major cities will depopulate, industrial agriculture will end, widespread famines, the abandonment of the southwest (lack of water), and that the United States will revert to the way it was in the early 19th century–small, localized, agrarian settlements. Anything requiring sustained electricity or gasoline is out, but the technology and infrastructure for steam trains would run just fine (there would still be relatively abundant coal).

    Alon Levy Reply:

    No. He just thinks HSR is trying to be too futuristic. He’s a fan of the way of doing things of the 1850s, not of new technology. He hates skyscrapers and large cities, too.

  12. D. P. Lubic
    Dec 8th, 2010 at 18:20
    #12

    A bit off-topic, but I do have to say it looks like someone in Amtrak’s advertising office knows how to have some fun:

    http://www.infrastructurist.com/2010/12/08/rush-hour-read-acelas-airport-ad-campaign/#comments

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    Also from the Infrastructurist, a promotional video from the CHSRA; the Infrastructurist editors like it.

    http://www.infrastructurist.com/2010/12/08/the-morning-dig-what-californias-high-speed-rail-will-look-like/#respond

    jimsf Reply:

    and oh look from spain makes me want to take that train in the morning

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    Still fighting that food fight, eh? :-)

    You’ll like this–promotional clip for a program on SP’s Daylights:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPDC8cWIWLE&feature=related

    “Sigh”–and people wonder why I want to go back to the steam age. . .

    jimsf Reply:

    what? who me?

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho!

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    Some more footage (some of which is also in the promotional clip above):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32KFWbSIRMA

    Some really pretty places in these images; do those places still look the same?

    jimsf Reply:

    you know. I realize that when we talk about these old ways, the luxuries, the way of life etc, that generally the response is “that was then, this is now” “cost blah blah blah” “modernization blah blah blah” “limited resources blah blah blah”

    But what I don’t understand is the so quick willingness to dismiss the fact that there is no reason that we should not be enjoying such a nice and more importantly, civilized lifestyle today.

    Do young people simply have no earthly idea what they are missing?
    Have people been so damaged by cynicism for the past 4 decades that they no longer have the ability to have expectations?

    Has our culture really deteriorated in civility ( the way the social scientists predicted it would” into violence, and crudeness, and slovenliness that people are just willing to accept being slopped like pigs at a trough so to speak with our meaningless, instant gratification culture?

    Ok overly dramatic perhaps but you get what Im saying.

    The basic standard of living in america should be much higher than it is. “really is” not fake pretend “is”

    Most shocking is how easily people accept is as normal and ok.
    We readily accept low quality crap on every level.
    Those trains, that is what the standard should be. To acccept less is to accept that we either aren’t worthy of it, or that we no longer have what it takes to achieve it.

    I don’t expect things will change and they will probably just get worse. New people won’t ever know the difference but for those of us who witnessed the end of what was and can compare it to what has become, its very hard to swallow.

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    Sad, but true, all too true. . .

    And with the way you put it, the Republican-conservative attacks on rail service make even less sense than they did before. . .we are trying to rebuild America with this rail service.

    My wife looks at the newspaper, at stories ranging from this rail business to things like school shootings, to unreasonable criticisms of the current administration (he’s been in office two years and the economy still stinks) and to school shootings and the like, and she wonders if our country isn’t suffering from some sort of widespread mental illness.

    Maybe it was that floridation in the water or something. . .

  13. jimsf
    Dec 8th, 2010 at 18:28
    #13

    I just want to keep looking at this

    * Car crashes cost each American more than $1,000 a year; $164.2 billion is the total cost each year across the United States

    so that means that just the accident portion of the car culture costs each californian $1000 per year.

    just the crash part. ( not all the other stuff that you can pile on) so lets see, 37 million californians… x 1000 = uh.. is that 37 billion dollars per year cost to californians? Hmm interesting number. I wonder what else costs 37 billion dollars… what could it possibly be? I just can’t think…..

    adirondacker12800 Reply:

    so that means that just the accident portion of the car culture costs each californian $1000 per year.

    People who own cars get a bill for it, from their car insurance company.

    D. P. Lubic Reply:

    My insurance runs about $95 per month; so it’s more than $1,000 per year for me.

    That $1,000 must only be for the claims. The insurance company has to charge extra to make a profit and pay expenses, like executive salaries. . .those executives are expensive, but worth it!

    Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho!

    Alon Levy Reply:

    Yep. Cars have huge externalities like that. Pollution is even more expensive. Using various estimates I’ve seen for how many people it kills, and standard US insurance valuation of human life, it works out to around $2+ per gallon, or about $300 billion a year.

    Greg Mankiw computed $2.11/gallon in 2003. A study in Toronto (link) gave a figure of 440 people killed a year in 2007, equivalent using fuel consumption data to about $2/gallon. And a study in Sydney (link) claims 600-1,400 people killed sourced to the state government, which using American insurance valuation of human life translates to around $3/gallon; using Australian valuation, it’s much smaller, at about $1/gallon.

  14. MGimbel
    Dec 8th, 2010 at 20:44
    #14

    O/T, but Japan may offer a loan of $210 million as part of their bid for the Florida project:

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-12-08/japan-may-offer-210-million-loan-for-florida-high-speed-train.html

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