UCI Examines the Economic Benefits of HSR
Virtually every post on this blog ultimately revolves around the economic benefits of high speed rail, which continue to be systematically denied by HSR critics who are still unable to mount any strong, evidence-based arguments against those benefits. In some ways it’s because they’re not really trying; HSR opposition isn’t so much about deconstructing claims of HSR’s prosperity-inducing nature as it is about making appeals to things they just assume people will accept as true, whether it’s a defense a failed 20th century model of transportation (automobile dependence) or whether it’s insinuations that “nobody really rides trains anyway, certainly not in California, so of course we can claim the HSR ridership studies are baseless even though nobody’s ever actually demonstrated it.”
Yet we HSR supporters keep on pushing, partly because we are convinced that, in the end, reality cannot be denied, at best it can merely be evaded for a while – and therefore the significant benefits of HSR will eventually prevail.
It helps that our case is so firmly grounded in the evidence. We got a reminder of that last week when the UC Irvine Institute of Transportation Studies published a new report on HSR titled Thinking Ahead: High Speed Rail in Southern California. Although the study is focused on Southern California, and Orange County in particular, it provides data and analysis that is useful for considering the statewide benefits of the HSR system.
The UCI ITS study starts from the premise that HSR enables California to achieve two policy goals at once: “delivery of both economic and environmental benefits.” HSR deniers routinely ignore environmental benefits, though as we noted yesterday, doing so is a case of false accounting. Specifically, the study argues:
[HSR] therefore represents an important convergence of policy objectives, an opportunity to shift the terms of the debate by demonstrating how a transformative large-scale infrastructure project such as high-speed rail would contribute favorably to both desired outcomes: more robust employment growth, specifically in the “green” jobs sector, and a lighter carbon footprint for each of Southern California’s projected nearly 21 million residents by 2035. The project’s positive economic impact deserves to be more thoroughly analyzed and understood not only by regional planners and policymakers, but the public at large.
As we go forward, keep in mind that HSR critics do not see either outcome (more jobs or a lighter carbon footprint) as being important, particularly the small but vocal group on the Peninsula who believe their aesthetic values come before jobs and carbon reduction.
The Summary of Findings is quite significant:
During its construction phase (2012-2020) the CAHSR project will contribute a regional income benefit of $701m (NPV @ 4%) to Southern California workers who would have otherwise been unemployed. Together with design/engineering work for Phase II of the system, it will provide the equivalent of over 57,000 full-time, one-year jobs (or multi-year employment for approximately 15,200 workers). Construction of the Anaheim Regional Intermodal Transportation Center (ARTIC) will create an additional 3,500 to 5,000 jobs in Orange County based upon estimated project costs of $179m.
This is a significant economic stimulus to a region and a state in desperate need of it. The benefits of those jobs, from the stimulative impact on the broader economy to the tax revenues state government will welcome, are extremely important and yet are consistently overlooked or ignored by HSR critics, probably because to acknowledge those benefits would be undermining their own case.
By 2035, high speed rail will attract over 127,000 permanent jobs to Southern California that would not have otherwise been created, thanks to the region’s increased livability and enhanced transportation network. The opportunity to locate these jobs near HSR stations and other transit hubs is valuable and should be encouraged through supportive zoning and additional policy incentives. Compared to other metropolitan areas with HSR corridors, the percentage of Southern California jobs located in or near downtown areas/CBDs is low. The concentration of business and industry around HSR stations would be reciprocally beneficial both to system ridership and the regional economy. The sectors in Southern California most conducive to this type of clustering and agglomeration benefits include health care and financial/real estate services.
This point is usually outright denied by HSR critics, who refuse to accept that California might ever have any other spatial model than suburban sprawl tied together by the automobile – despite the fact that many of these critics, at least on the Peninsula, live in communities that were created around a spatial model that owed nothing at all to sprawl and freeways and owed everything to passenger rail.
Dedicated to the defense of a failed 20th century model, some HSR critics might charge that we’d never see companies take an HSR station into consideration in terms of locating job centers, even though this is already routinely done in Europe. As we can learn from the HSR debate currently taking place in Wisconsin, however, companies are already taking transit hubs into account. A former chief economist to a Republican governor of Wisconsin wrote a pro-HSR op-ed, which generated the following comment from the executive director of Gateway to Milwaukee, a group of businesses near the Milwaukee airport, about how the region is already suffering job losses due to a lack of transit hubs:
Here’s an intresting anecdote. A local entrepreneur had a business plan and a need for $5 million in capital. Potential investors from Seattle were very interested, willing to invest $2.5 million and paid for research on greater Milwaukee. Their strong preference was to start the company in Chicago, possibly start it in Madison, but they had no interest in Milwaukee. The plan called for hiring 60 young IT and creative design professionals in 120 days and they did not want to take the risk of doing so in Milwaukee. A primary reason was the concern about transportation for these young people – generations X & Y – around Milwaukee and even between Chicago and Milwaukee (the KRM would have been a solution). So the business ultimately started in Chicago – 200 feet from a train station.
The basic point is that because southeast Wisconsin is inadequate in its overall transportation structure versus other metropolitan areas, the start-up capital and the jobs went somewhere else.
One could just as easily substitute “Palo Alto” or “Fresno” or “Anaheim” for “Milwaukee” in this story, with SF, San José and LA playing the role of Chicago or Madison. HSR deniers don’t want to accept this fact, but businesses are already looking for better mass transit options, and are starting to make their hiring and location decisions based on the available infrastructure. This isn’t the 1960s, or even the 1990s, where the assumption was that everyone would drive to an office park. Those days are gone.
Perhaps that’s a reason why the Bay Area Council, representing the Bay Area’s largest employers, strongly supports HSR. It’s unfortunate that some Peninsula local governments have chosen to disregard that – one has to wonder if these cities are so prosperous, with such bright job growth, that they can afford to dismiss what their most important businesses are saying and requesting.
The UCI ITS study lists several other benefits, including its role in spurring the growth of “green” jobs, reduction in pollutants including CO2, and helping achieve the “sustainable communities” goals of SB 375. The study even puts a number on the amount of money likely to be saved through the improved health of HSR users:
HSR commuters who ride at least four times a week would directly benefit from increased levels of physical activity from walking and/or biking for some portion of their trip. Improved health outcomes attributable to HSR, achieved in tandem with the development of walkable, transit-oriented communities, would total between $50 million and $132 million in reduced medical costs over a fifteen-year period (2020-2035, discounted in 2010 dollars at 4%), depending on the ridership scenario.
Those are just the “Summary of Findings” – the full study provides detailed evidence in support of those conclusions. It’s much more than we ever get from HSR critics, who are hoping that shouting loudly instead of reasoned argument and evidence will help them convince governments to block or kill the HSR project.
In a state with record unemployment, in the depths of a prolonged recession, desperately in need of good, lasting jobs that will also help clean up our environment and provide sustainable transportation, HSR is a necessary project whose benefits are desperately needed. No wonder large majorities of Californians still support the project – they understand HSR is part of our path back to prosperity.

The bit about “no one rides trains,” “it will require subsidy,” “it will cost too much,” and so on remind me of the final commentary in the State of West Virginia’s EIS for the Route 9 upgrade I’ve mentioned before (this is the one in which I proposed a modern interurban instead in a semi-rural area).
In attempting to refute what I had to say, the West Virginia Department of Tar–er, Transportation, in commentaries against both the original cost study I submitted, and in commentaries against additional arguments that were submitted later, essentially said the proposed interurban wouldn’t work because it wouldn’t work. Rail was “economical,” but “wouldn’t meet the transportation needs of the Eastern Panhandle,” rail was safe, but “wouldn’t meet the transportation needs of the Eastern Panhandle,” rail had less environmental impact, but “wouldn’t meet the transportation needs of the Eastern Panhandle”. . .it went on and on like that. I’m not good enough to make this up!
What was most interesting was there was no comment about my cost estimates for construction or operation. Nothing at all! And I know there had to be errors; I later found out about some of them because some of my original source material was off. So why didn’t they call me on this?
Of course, there was that interesting incident in which I dropped off a copy of the cost study at a meeting on this, and some of the engineers took a look at it. One turned to a certain page, motioned to another to take a look at something, then that one motioned to a third to also come and look. I’ll admit, I have an ego that would probably be an asset in politics if I were allowed to run (unfortunately, I’m in civil service, and I have this terrible habbit to support called eating), so I went up to the three engineers to ask what they found of such great interest.
What they were looking at was a pair of drawings, two cross sections of what would be typical right-of-way for the proposed highway and the proposed interurban, drawn to the same scale and with one drawn above the other, the highway drawing based on the DOT’s own specifications and drawings, the rail section based on AAR (Association of American Railroads) standards with tracks on 15-foot centers. This revealed a difference in width that as I recall was on the order of at least three-to-one, possibly greater (it’s been years since I worked on this or even looked at it), and one of the engineers commented that he “did not realize the difference in width was so great.”
Whoo-ee!
D. P. Lubic Reply:
September 5th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Oh, that rail right-of-way was for two tracks, with electrification, the poles and bracket arms being between the two tracks.
That brings to mind what I read a few days ago.
Patelco moves HQ to Pleasanton
http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_15870120
“This is very compelling for us financially, in terms of signage, growth potential,
parking, visibility, all of the things you would look for in a long-term facility for a corporate presence,” Burns said.
Plus, access to public transit is also a big factor.
“BART was one of the key characteristics we wanted,” Burns said. “We want our staff to be able to commute on BART as much as possible.”
Richard Mlynarik Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 2:22 am
What incredible greenwashed delusion are you suffering from in quoting this?
The company is moving from the MOST transit-oriented and transit-served city west of the Mississippi, to nowhere office park sprawl-land on the very periphery.
They’re moving away from nearly all BART service. They’re moving about as far away from Los Banos routed HSR as they can. They’re moving to a the land of freeways and nothing but.
Can you read a map?
Al Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 2:54 am
True, but that doesn’t mean that (some) transit wasn’t a requirement for the new location.
I found it interesting that the justification given for the move was that the current buildings were too expensive to retrofit for earthquakes. From a pessimistic viewpoint, it represents the abandonment of existing structures for greenfield sites, possibly a downside of historical preservation ordinances, and a company cutting its own costs while shoving them onto the shoulders of its employees.
rafael Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 3:39 am
In the current economy, the SF location was simply becoming too expensive for this company. Transit access via BART increases the likelihood of hanging on to key employees, at least for an extended transition period. Businesses generally don’t much care about local/regional transit except as it relates to the ease of getting to and from work.
For this particular type of business, proximity to a potential future HSR station is evidently not a high priority. That may change if and when HSR becomes a reality and the market for skilled labor tightens again. While it may never be particularly relevant to this particular company’s business model, it might well become so for its hiring and staff retention efforts.
dave Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Someone hates BART, I won’t say who.
Richard Mlynarik Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 11:21 am
BART is fine (suboptimal, but extant) in San Francisco and Oakland. It isn’t going to be replaced, can
t be replaced, and needs to be run as efficiently as possible.
BART to Dublin is and was insane: a pure, unadulterated, deliberately fraudulent, limitlessly corrupt contractor swill-fest, just like Quentin Kopp’s BART to Millbrae, BART to Pittsburg and the coming mother of all PBQD welfare boondoggles of BART to Santa Clara.
Actually believing, or pretending to believe, that BART to Dublin is an environmental benefit that in any way justifies moving businesses out of San Francisco to greenfield sites indicates, in the most charitable possible interpretation, a complete disconnect from reality.
Again: Can you read a map?
PS Rafael: Thanks for chiming in! One ought not to be surprised to learn HSR and transit are super cool and necessary and peak oil and economic development and Monterey-Disneyland linkage and gulf war is bad and seven squintillion return on investment and sprawl is bad and stuff … except when it will “never be particularly relevant to this particular company’s business”.
After all, Patelco is only a pure white collar cuboidal office operation, for God’s sake, so we needn’t concern ourselves when the office workers are shifted away from transit and the state’s repdicted second highest HSR station. Oh no.
Presumably a steel mill or a toffee factory or a cement batching plant or a mercury mine or something will instead be the economic powerhouse that will drive HSR adjacent TOD into the stratosphere! Financial back offices, legal services, etc, in CBDs? Hah! Who needs em? Let them all move to Ripon for all we care! A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds!
Al Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Can someone post some references to what makes BART bad in these cases?
Richard Mlynarik Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Double promised (at “alternatives” elimination “analysis” time) “budget”. Half (or less) promised “ridership”.
Every single time.
Worse in every way than more appropriate technology in the same corridors (are you aware of anybody else in the world building third rail subway lines through cow pastures 20 miles form the nearest conurbation?), and worse in every way than investment in other corridors.
What’s not to like?
Spokker Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
That’s how the Bay Area likes it.
jimsf Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
yes. exactly. thank spokker. my what a breath of fresh air. See how simple that was.
Peter Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Nice and slow. With a lot of lube. ;)
Alon Levy Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Shanghai is building catenary-powered subways to the boonies.
Then again, Shanghai’s population growth is a few percent a year higher than San Francisco’s.
adirondacker12800 Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
I realize it’s hopelessly out of date but Shanghai isn’t quite as far flung as BART
http://fakeisthenewreal.org/subway/
I have a vague feeling that Shanghai, even in the boonies is denser and has less car owners than Pleasanton or maybe even Berkeley. They aren’t trying to run all of the trains to one street in downtown either.
Alon Levy Reply:
September 7th, 2010 at 10:15 am
You’re right, it’s out of date. With the most recent round of extensions, Line 2 is longer than any single BART service, and the plan is to expand three more lines to a similar length.
While car ownership in Shanghai is low, the density has a huge dropoff outside the urbanized area. The outer parts of the municipality are still rural. It’s a lot more like New York of 1910, with farms in Queens, only on a much larger scale. The reason it makes sense and BART doesn’t is the same reason that the Flushing Line made sense.
dave Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Well if BART to Dublin was a fraud and insanely expensive, I’ll tell you it’s made my life a lot better. What’s done is done. My quote from this peice was merely to share it and not to prove a point that Bart was a good idea (compared to cost) to this part of the region, although like I said, it’s made my and other people’s lives better. I’m sorry that our existence in this area hurt you cause!
Peter Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Richard is just very bitter that the planners didn’t listen to him. He may be right about many things, but he has trouble with losing.
Richard Mlynarik Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
In fact ride BART from Dublin a couple times a month on the way back from recreational bike rides.
So in fact it “made my life better” just like you!
Meanwhile it costs the taxpayers of our fair state and region well over $50 (fully accounted capital and operating cost) every time I do. Thank you, suckers! Thanks for making my life better!
It costs as much every time you do also. But I’m sure you deserve it! Far more than those black and brown people in scummy Oakland with their nasty buses, for sure.
PS I rode BART from Colma coming back from a recreational bike ride just last night! 10 car train, Sunday evening, nearly empty, all there for me me me me me! Score! I love all the extensions! Thanks for this one also, suckers! Whoo hoo!
dave Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
You can prove your point without adding insult you know. I could play your game as well, I chose to leave it for you tho’.
No, it’s not about me, me, me. It’s about us. If I didn’t think the extension had merit, then I’d agree with you. Plenty of people use these extensions. Maybe not to your likeing, but enough.
Well your the one saying it, I’m a “brown” person myself. So, no I don’t say that. But it would be great if we can at least educate these kinds at least to respect their transportation and not tag the buses with markers, scratch graffiti into the windows and would it kill AC transit to use Air freshners? Nothing wrong with that, I’m a “brown person” so it’s O.k.
Peter Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Don’t worry about it. He can’t help being an asshole.
D. P. Lubic Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
In an earlier time we would have been a bit more delicate; we would say it was his liver or something. . .
Sorry, sorry, I just couldn’t help myself, that’s what happens when you live in a time warp like I do.
My wife says I lie about my age. She says I am not 55 years old, but 155 years old. She says only someone that old would know and care about the things I do know and care about, like the old movies, old time radio, and of course, steam trains. . .
D. P. Lubic Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
You know, in spite of my joking above, these are good points. The problem is, how do we get a better system without killing the system altogether? This would be my worry if say a bunch of Republicans got in. There is a reason they have been called the “Generous to Oil Party.”
rafael Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
@ Richard Mlynarik -
off the meds again? I was merely articulating why the company’s statement made sense from its point of view. Doesn’t necessarily mean I share it.
Richard Mlynarik Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Articulating? That’s OK, then. Proactively. Out of the box!
Peter Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Richard often misses little subtleties like that. I don’t think he is able to read much of anything before the red mist descends.
I’ve read the study. The jobs part is just a regurgitation of the High Speed Rail Authority press releases.
There are some interesting parts about why Fullerton train stations matter and an explanation of why high speed rail is not about TOD and it is more about clustering service industry businesses.
Nathanael Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 2:26 am
The jobs part is based in evidence, in the study. So I guess you’re saying the HSRA press releases are in fact accurate. Good to know.
Elizabeth Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 8:19 am
What evidence?
Elizabeth Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 9:19 am
From the study,
“According to a recent CHSRA press release,”
Brian Stanke Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Elizabeth, if you want to read peer reviewed research on the economic impact of High Speed Rail please check out my Master’s paper on it at: http://www.ca4hsr.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Brian-Stanke-298-High-Speed-Rails-Effect-on-Population-Distribution.pdf Pages 7-15 contain my review of then existing peer-reviewed literature and it also has an extensive bibliography. (Disclaimer: My paper is not published in a peer reviewed journal, only my cites.)
As a bonus you can read my analysis about how the TGV “big bang” in 1989-1991/94 coincides with a shift across France’s secondary cities from population dispersal towards re-concentration. In other words the central city began growing faster than the suburbs for all cities over 300,000 in population.
I couldn’t prove that HSR caused this (an impossible task with so few examples and millions of variables to control for) but it certainly appeared to help. Especially the one-two punch of TGV/HSR inspiring cities to expand or reintroduce local rail service. (Le Mans the local rail transit laggard and smallest TGV city performed worst.)
If you have done, or know of, as extensive or better research please share it with us. Thanks!
Elizabeth Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Brian,
Looks interesting. I’ll add it to the pile.
The specific claim I was referring to was about the jobs number, not about land usage.
Adam C. Reply:
September 7th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
As the co-author of this study, I take strong exception to Elizabeth’s characterization of my study as a “regurgitation” of a CHSRA press release. That is not at all the case, and her “according to…” quotation is misleadingly taken out of context. I use cost estimates available for the project and translate those into job creation estimates as well as a regional income benefit, based on widely accepted metrics of economic activity based on infrastructure spending.
My study with Sarah Catz also examines other downstream benefits that the CHSRA does not consider at all in its Cambridge Systematics ridership study, such as greenhouse gas reduction and improved community health.
To be fair, I do use the CHSRA long-term job creation estimates – whence 127,000 jobs by 2035 – but those numbers are hardly in dispute, and I proceed to make original connections between HSR and the growth of key sectors California’s emerging “green” economy.
Elizabeth Reply:
September 7th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Adam,
Hey – I actually liked some parts of what you wrote as I said. There are, however, a lot of reasons why using really basic multipliers may not appropriate in this case, particularly when you are looking at regional job impacts.
(1) Half the money is coming from California state budget which is constrained. Spending money on this project is explicitly not spending it on schools, home health aides etc. THis must be netted out.
(2) A lot of money is going for land, specialized equipment like signaling and rental of VERY specialized machinery like tunnel boring machines. In most cases in LA, the loss of land shouldn’t cost too many jobs as most of the businesses displaced will probably locate. In the Central Valley, it will just be land lost for agricultural production.
(3) While some of the raw materials (gravel, steel and concrete) will be made in California, much of it won’t. The multiplier assumes all the raw materials are local.
(4) Increasingly parts of “iconic” bridges are being manufactured overseas and shipped here (a la bay bridge).
(5) productivity has gone through the roof for many of the specialized activities. Here’s a washington post article describing the building of the tysons corner tunnel http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/17/AR2009101700716.html
the cost is $85 million and at its peak it will employ 70 laborers and 12 engineers, most of which have been brought in from out of the area because they have special experience. Using the multiplier the rail authority is using, you should have had 1,700 new jobs.
The longer term impact is much harder to gauge, as well as depending critically on the execution of the rail authority and the local governments.
I’ll send more offline, including the updated parking numbers.
adirondacker12800 Reply:
September 7th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
the cost is $85 million and at its peak it will employ 70 laborers and 12 engineers, most of which have been brought in from out of the area because they have special experience.
They don’t bring their own concrete steel etc. Someone who doesn’t actually work in the tunnel does. All of them like to be paid. That means there’s someone in a nice clean office cutting paychecks. And someone off in a nice clean office making sure the payroll clerk cutting paychecks is doing it right. A healthy chunk of that 85 million is payroll and most of it it gets spent locally if not actually on the people in the tunnel or even people who work for the same company as the people working in the tunnel.
Richard Mlynarik Reply:
September 7th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
So the more inefficient the construction processes and the larger the overhead and the more make-work associated with it the better for California?
Scenario 1: Alice pays Bob $10 for his train set and $10 to Eve for her poseable nurse action figurines with realistic hospital operating room diorama.
Scenario 2: Alice pays Bob $20 for a train set worth $10, and Bob kicks back $3 of the excess to Eve, to thank her for her valuable work in train set requirements specification, acceptance testing, and project management, while pocketing $7 more himself for unique local needs.
Question: For scenario 1 and scenario 2, compare the number of train sets and realistic hospital operating room dioramas that Alice receives for her $20.
adirondacker12800 Reply:
September 7th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
I didn’t say it was efficient, I was pointing out that lots of the money spent on construction projects doesn’t get spent in the actual hole they are digging.
Elizabeth Reply:
September 7th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
I’m not saying there is no one. I am saying that more and more of the cost is on equipment and less on people directly working on it. All of the multipliers include all the people who made the equipment and all the people making the steel and manufacturing the signaling equipment and then all the jobs from anyone making money spending it on hot dogs and TVs or whatver they like to buy.
Considering that a lot of the equipment already exists and that a lot of the material costs go to pay for non-local products and that a lot of the work counts on a few highly skilled, highly paid engineer types, the numbers are not in the ball park. And then we start counting the teachers laid off to pay for the bonds and it starts looking like a wash.
This is a transportation project. People should understand that and focus on trying to make the project as good as possible or those transportation benefits will be minimal, instead of selling this as a jobs project.
Adam, if you want the parking report, I can’t find your email. ealexis@gmail.com
adirondacker12800 Reply:
September 8th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Federal taxpayers don’t care if the money is spent in California or Alabama.
Peter Reply:
September 8th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Those in California or Alabama care when it’s not being spent in their state.
Adam C. Reply:
September 8th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Elizabeth, thanks for your response. To take your points in order:
1) Yes, HSR bonds issued under Prop. 1A will be general obligation bonds and may marginally affect the total amount of money that California is able to borrow for its various long-term infrastructure needs. This is a frequent argument used against the project, with strong emotional appeal. Given the choice, who would pick an inanimate object, a train, over a teacher or nurse? But keep in mind that these bonds are specifically obligated for HSR by voter mandate and thus *cannot legally be spent on anything else.* So, it’s not a question of either/or. (“Spending money on this project is explicitly not spending it on schools, home health aides etc.”) Even if the legislature wanted to re-appropriate this money for other priorities, it could not.
The only option would be not to issue the bonds at all. We must consider HSR on its own merits, but also in the context of a deep economic recession, as a key potential stimulant, an investment that would leverage matching ARRA dollars. If we choose not to pursue the project, the State loses $2.25b in federal match, plus any potential future funding that may come out of the next SAFETEA-LU reauthorization or the proposed National Infrastructure Bank.
The real question is: can key pieces of the project be environmentally cleared in a timeframe that will allow it to tap these ARRA dollars by September 31, 2012? Can the overall project be packaged in a way that will attract further private investment? Or will NIMBYs continue to slow the EIR process and try to damage the project’s credibility in any way they can?
(2) I specifically excluded the money spent on land acquisition in my jobs calculation.
(3), (5) Fair points. The purpose of our study was to calculate aggregate economic benefits, as opposed to economic impacts.
(4) Many of the foreign manufacturers/suppliers of HSR equipment have indicated to the Authority that they would have absolutely no issue with moving their assembly plants to California. Before they do so, however, they need more reassurance in the form of an increased federal commitment to the project that the US investment in HSR is serious and long-term.
Plus, with the first drop of federal money comes the “Buy America” requirement for steel, which effectively constrains where the developer can source materials. One could argue this is a good thing, but it also undeniably raises the project cost.
Elizabeth Reply:
September 8th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
The costs of servicing the debt are not a miniscule amount. It is in the neighborhood of $700 million or more per year, or roughly the amount the UC system’s budgets have been cut over the last couple of years. California will have to cut other spending to make room for this.
GO bonds don’t give the state a new source of revenue, they simply allow the state to frontload spending.
This doesn’t mean you don’t do the project. You just don’t kid yourself into thinking that this is a jobs measure.
adirondacker12800 Reply:
September 8th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
700 million a year at 7%. Interest rates are much lower than that on non Federal government bonds right now. Probably will be for a very long time.
Elizabeth Reply:
September 8th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
700mm assumes 30 year paydown
Adam C. Reply:
September 9th, 2010 at 11:51 am
I agree with adirondacker – 7% is way too high, even with California’s tumbling credit rating. Plus, when you apply a social discount rate of 3% to that conjectural $700m interest payment stream over 30 years, the real cost of debt is not as imposing as you made it out to be. The payment in Year 30 would be $288.3 million in today’s dollars = 700 / (1+.03)^30.
Kathy Hamilton, self-styled “SF Transportation Policy Examiner” and resident of Stone Pine Line in Menlo Park reports that Tony Daniels, California HSR Program Director for PBQD, is stepping down and will be succeeded by Clifford Eby, a former acting administrator of the FRA who joined the company this summer.
Her report does not cite any source for this information, but that hasn’t stopped the usual suspects from broadcasting it all over the internet. I have no idea if her report is accurate, given the scale of the project I would have expected a formal press release from PBQD and/or CHSRA. It is possible one will be forthcoming.
http://www.examiner.com/transportation-policy-in-san-francisco/calfornia-high-speed-rail-news-flash-change-of-key-personnel
http://www.pbworld.com/news_events/press_room/press_releases/pdf/clifford_eby_release.pdf
Elizabeth Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 8:36 am
Rafael,
Take that back.
Project personnel were notified on Friday and even Robert got an email.
Kathy to her credit went and got additional confirmation from Tony Daniels himself before publishing. Are you suggesting she made up the direct quote in her article?
Yes, one would have expected a formal press release. The Friday before a long weekend is a traditional time to announce such personnel changes.
rafael Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 11:17 am
I never said she had made it up, I was just surprised that there had been no formal announcement from the organizations involved. Sloppy PR on their part. Tip of the hat to Kathy for an accurate report.
Elizabeth Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 11:44 am
Does this mean you are taking it back (the part about Kathy having no source)?
Peter Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 11:46 am
She may have had a source, but she didn’t cite it. That’s what Rafael’s comment states.
Elizabeth Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Let me quote from the article:
Tony Daniels confirmed the story and said he will continue to work for Parsons Brinckerhoff. “It was time to transfer from that position and I was very pleased to see that role taken up for PB by Cliff Eby, a well-respected man in PB and the Railroad Industry,” said Daniels.
Source: Tony Daniels.
Peter Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Touché.
Robert Cruickshank Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 9:51 am
Hamilton is an HSR opponent, but her report IS accurate. I received a statement on this over the weekend – I posted it in response to the other thread, but here it is again:
So is this the infrastructure investment we have been waiting for? If so, good news.
rafael Reply:
September 6th, 2010 at 11:43 am
We’ll have to wait and see if Congress will approve the $50 billion in funding and if the road/rail/air split will favor rail, especially HSR.
Leaving Afghanistan 9 months earlier than planned would pay for the whole thing. IMHO any semblance of central control over Afghanistan will break down the minute the last US/NATO soldier leaves, regardless of when that happens. Pres. Karzai and his cronies stole an election and have lined their own pockets instead of investing in basic services such as garbage collection. Plus, Afghanistan is hardly the only (almost) failed Islamic state: Pakistan, Somalia, etc. Any Islamist terror group intending to strike the US wouldn’t even need any bases in Afghanistan to ply their heinous trade. Keeping troops there does not improve US security one iota, on the contrary: propping up a corrupt regime merely reinforces negative perceptions of the US in the poorest parts of the Islamic world.