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		<title>By: Joey</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/07/orange-is-at-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-82631</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 07:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No.  There is no earthquake mitigation on the Berkeley hills tunnels whatsoever.  Also, they are much shorter and probably at much less of a risk than any tunnels through the Grapevine would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  There is no earthquake mitigation on the Berkeley hills tunnels whatsoever.  Also, they are much shorter and probably at much less of a risk than any tunnels through the Grapevine would be.</p>
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		<title>By: synonymouse</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/07/orange-is-at-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-82629</link>
		<dc:creator>synonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 07:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BART has utilized that fantasy technology for the past 40 years</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BART has utilized that fantasy technology for the past 40 years</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/07/orange-is-at-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-82570</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Real political diversity?  Does that include competent, sane people elected to the county government?  I haven&#039;t seen a quote form a single one who appears to know the first thing about transportation.  They range from blatantly hypocritical to completely ill-informed.

I&#039;m sure there&#039;s political diversity, but could you try to get some reasonable, well-informed people elected?  A diversity of incompetence is not helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real political diversity?  Does that include competent, sane people elected to the county government?  I haven&#8217;t seen a quote form a single one who appears to know the first thing about transportation.  They range from blatantly hypocritical to completely ill-informed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s political diversity, but could you try to get some reasonable, well-informed people elected?  A diversity of incompetence is not helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Ward, it&#039;s the &quot;studies&quot; by the state auditor et al. which have been discredited, and I suggest you look back through this very blog for the references to the properly-designed studies which demonstrate their errors.

Since you haven&#039;t seen those studies, I&#039;m sure it will be enlightening.  Or not, since you seem to have made up your mind and the facts probably won&#039;t affect you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Ward, it&#8217;s the &#8220;studies&#8221; by the state auditor et al. which have been discredited, and I suggest you look back through this very blog for the references to the properly-designed studies which demonstrate their errors.</p>
<p>Since you haven&#8217;t seen those studies, I&#8217;m sure it will be enlightening.  Or not, since you seem to have made up your mind and the facts probably won&#8217;t affect you.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Syn: &quot;But of course the Tejon tunnel thru the Garlock fault will be designed to accommodate the slip and be “repaired” a number of times.&quot;

I&#039;m not sure what your reference to fantasy technology which doesn&#039;t exist is for.

If you want to do something useful, work on getting the best possible Palmdale - San Fernando Valley tunnels, which are at risk of being less-than-optimal.

(Note also that Palmdale will be a natural connection point for high-speed lines to the east.  Vegas is only the first.  It will be much easier to build high-speed lines east from here than through the densely populated suburbs directly east of LA where the current rail routes go.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syn: &#8220;But of course the Tejon tunnel thru the Garlock fault will be designed to accommodate the slip and be “repaired” a number of times.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what your reference to fantasy technology which doesn&#8217;t exist is for.</p>
<p>If you want to do something useful, work on getting the best possible Palmdale &#8211; San Fernando Valley tunnels, which are at risk of being less-than-optimal.</p>
<p>(Note also that Palmdale will be a natural connection point for high-speed lines to the east.  Vegas is only the first.  It will be much easier to build high-speed lines east from here than through the densely populated suburbs directly east of LA where the current rail routes go.)</p>
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		<title>By: D. P. Lubic</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. P. Lubic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got to sign in for a route as tunnel-free as possible.  Tunnels are not only nortoriously expensive to build, they are also not maintenance-free, especially as they get older.  Better not to build one unless there is no other option.

The prospect of the inevitable earthquake adds to this as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to sign in for a route as tunnel-free as possible.  Tunnels are not only nortoriously expensive to build, they are also not maintenance-free, especially as they get older.  Better not to build one unless there is no other option.</p>
<p>The prospect of the inevitable earthquake adds to this as well.</p>
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		<title>By: synonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>synonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 07:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a cheap shot on Fresno, but it does have an &quot;urban legend&quot; bad crime rep, deserved or not.

The point about the elevated is that it would not be constructed with the express feature of having to be rebuilt from time to time, unlike the Tejon tunnel thru the Garlock fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a cheap shot on Fresno, but it does have an &#8220;urban legend&#8221; bad crime rep, deserved or not.</p>
<p>The point about the elevated is that it would not be constructed with the express feature of having to be rebuilt from time to time, unlike the Tejon tunnel thru the Garlock fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 05:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fresno is pretty average as far as crime rates go. Very close to the national average in the majority of categories. 

Unless you wouldn&#039;t build an elevated structure in most of the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fresno is pretty average as far as crime rates go. Very close to the national average in the majority of categories. </p>
<p>Unless you wouldn&#8217;t build an elevated structure in most of the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: synonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>synonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 04:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But of course the Tejon tunnel thru the Garlock fault will be designed to accommodate the slip and be &quot;repaired&quot; a number of times.  All tunnels, including the ones on the proposed Palmdale line are susceptible to damage from fire and explosion.

Y&#039;all are worried about &quot;risk&quot; and want to erect a 60&#039; high viaduct thru crime-plagued downtown Fresno?  How many &quot;months&quot; do you think it would take to rebuild that dinosaur if it came down for whatever reason?  

@ Peter the PB-Bechtel broad gauge hell-spawn I am referring to is none other than BART.  AS far as libel goes what kind of pollyanna Disneyland parallel universe are you living in?  The one I am living in I share with Blagos, Rangels and Rizzos.   You are probably to young to remember Tricky Dick.  There is no absolutely no depth to which these bozos would steep to pull of a fix or a scam.  Palmdale, j&#039;accuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But of course the Tejon tunnel thru the Garlock fault will be designed to accommodate the slip and be &#8220;repaired&#8221; a number of times.  All tunnels, including the ones on the proposed Palmdale line are susceptible to damage from fire and explosion.</p>
<p>Y&#8217;all are worried about &#8220;risk&#8221; and want to erect a 60&#8242; high viaduct thru crime-plagued downtown Fresno?  How many &#8220;months&#8221; do you think it would take to rebuild that dinosaur if it came down for whatever reason?  </p>
<p>@ Peter the PB-Bechtel broad gauge hell-spawn I am referring to is none other than BART.  AS far as libel goes what kind of pollyanna Disneyland parallel universe are you living in?  The one I am living in I share with Blagos, Rangels and Rizzos.   You are probably to young to remember Tricky Dick.  There is no absolutely no depth to which these bozos would steep to pull of a fix or a scam.  Palmdale, j&#8217;accuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 01:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, we don&#039;t have the money to build HSR, but we do have the money to build maglev.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, we don&#8217;t have the money to build HSR, but we do have the money to build maglev.</p>
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