The Caltrain Tunnels: Bayshore to 4th & King
by Rafael
This post is on Caltrain’s legacy tunnels in San Francisco, how they relate to UPRR operations as well as CHSRA’s plans for reaching downtown SF, plus the issue of the stabling/light maintenance yard at the north end of the starter line. My apologies to readers in the Central Valley and Southern California for the third Caltrain-related post in succession. In my defense, the core objective of the post is to look for ways to reduce total project cost and it just so happens that this short section represents valuable low hanging fruit.
Here is a map showing the relevant features in this section of the preferred HSR route, to be discussed below.
View Caltrain Tunnels in a larger map
Description of the Status Quo
PCJPB owns and Caltrain operates four short tunnels between the Bayshore station and its 4th & King terminus. They are numbered 1 through 4 southbound and were seismically reinforced with shotcrete in the 1990s, so they’re in a state of good repair. Tunnel #2 actually features two bores that once supported a total of four tracks. Only the eastern bore is active, I do not know if the western bore was also reinforced.
The active tunnels all feature two tracks and are suitable for electrification via overhead catenaries, see cross-section of tunnel #4 as an example. Caltrain’s 22nd Street station is located directly under the I-280 freeway in-between tunnels #1 and #2, with the tracks running in-between the supports. It currently supports around 1000 average weekday boardings, out of 36,000 total.
The following video shows the view from a northbound train running through this section of the Caltrain corridor. Note the two remaining grade crossings at 16th and Berry streets north of tunnel #1 and the forest of freeway support columns to either side of the tracks.
UPRR still owns and operates a spur for rail freight into and out of the Port of SF, an agency that earned a total of $2.1 million in fees between 2001 and 2008. The spur branches off the northbound track just north of tunnel #3. They’ve asked for a gauntlet track through tunnels #3 and #4 to enable, for the first time, extra-tall AAR plate H autorack cars for the purpose of transshipping imported automobiles stacked two high. For electrical safety, such cars could only pass through these tunnels if the future overhead catenary system were temporarily switched off. In addition, the OCS would have to be strung at a higher level all the way to Santa Clara. Considering total remaining freight volume in the SF peninsula, Clem Tillier has recommended that PCJPB banish US-style heavy freight by designating the entire SF peninsula a so-called “short line” with an axle load limit of 22.5 metric tonnes (European standard for light/medium freight), a gradient limit well above 1% and the present AAR plate F vertical clearance.
A separate turnoff into the polluted former Navy shipyard at Hunters Point via Caroll St, located in-between tunnels #3 and #4, appears to have been abandoned for lack of customers (though I’m not 100% certain of that). For a primer on this troubled neighborhood, please refer to the history of Bayview-Hunters Point.
Separately, the old Southern Pacific yard just west of the Bayshore station is the subject of the vast 4500 home Baylands development project, which is in an advanced planning stage. The entire area on both sides of the tracks is landfill and was contaminated by diesel spills, heavy metals and household waste, respectively. The cost of remediating the entire area to the level required for residential use is estimated at $100-$200 million and would have be funded by the developer.
CHSRA plans
Sections 0 and 1 of the exhibits for the preliminary alignment alternatives in the SF peninsula indicate that CHSRA intends to either run at grade or construct a new deep tunnel all the way from Transbay Terminal to Bayshore. The freeway supports in the area mean the new tracks would have to run either just west of the existing ones (under 7th St near 4th & King) or else, directly underneath them.
The program EIS/EIR had called for tracks at grade south of 22nd Street, which would have cut the total distance tunneled in half. An at-grade alignment featuring additional tracks would eliminate 7th St south of Townsend St and, require new road underpasses for 16th and Berry St (referred to as Common St on the exhibits). The option of a road overpass at Berry, which is right next to the Mission Creek outfall, appears not to have been considered. Nor was closing the crossing altogether.
Note that the document’s author(s) failed to include the map for section 2 through Brisbane, duplicating section 3 instead. The full report (p10 PDF) shows CHSRA intends to leverage Caltrain’s existing quad tracks at grade between tunnel #4 and Sierra Point. P33 PDF suggests express HSR trains would run past or through narrow UPRR’s south San Francisco marshalling yard at grade as well, though speeds are limited by the necessarily tight curve at Sierra Point. An aerial option is also under consideration, though p66 PDF suggests that would prevent UPRR access to the south SF yard and the spur east to its customers Granite Rock and Central Concrete.
Confusingly, CHSRA’s Google Map of the HSR route (please zoom in) still shows tracks at grade south of 22nd Street, except for short tunnels adjacent to Caltrain’s existing tunnels #3 and #4, respectively. It also shows a trench section through the Baylands, presumably to permit a change in track order, i.e. where the HSR tracks will end up laterally relative to Caltrain’s. The animation NC3D produced suggests HSR would use the center tracks south of tunnel #4, but the final decision on that has not yet been taken.
P42 PDF echoes scoping comments from the San Francisco sessions that relate to visual and noise mitigation at “the maintenance yard”, presumably meaning the one HSR will use for overnight stabling and light maintenance. However, the document makes no mention of where that yard is to be located.
Not that no-one has ever suggested siting the system’s heavy maintenance facility (HMF) in SF, politically the most likely site for that is the Central Valley.
Analysis of Required Track Count
In the interest of cutting costs, CHSRA should generally seek to absolutely minimize expensive tunnel construction throughout the entire network, including both mountain and urban/suburban sections. There is a business case for the DTX tunnel between 4th & King and the new Transbay Terminal, because a downtown station will generate greater ridership for the starter line. In addition, AB3034 explicitly defines it as the northern end point, essentially regardless of construction cost, throughput capacity or feasible dwell times. The section south of 4th & King is not part of the definition of the DTX tunnel, but both HSR and Caltrain obviously need to reach it.
Between Bayshore and 4th & King, HSR speeds will be below 80mph, slowing down sharply to negotiate three tight curves at 7th/Townsend, 2nd/Townsend and 2nd/Transbay Terminal. This implies that HSR and Caltrain could potentially share the two (2) existing tracks and remain at grade until the first of these curves.
Other than obvious rent-seeking on behalf of the construction industry, there appear to be three distinct reasons planners are currently still considering quad tracking north of Bayshore:
(a) Regulatory contraints. At this point, CHSRA is not yet ready to submit a request for a “rule of special applicability” with FRA. New rulemaking is required to operate trains at speeds in excess of 150mph and many other aspects of HSR operations. In particular, CHSRA has so far assumed that getting the green light from FRA would only be possible if non-compliant HSR trains ran on dedicated tracks throughout its entire network with the exception of the DTX tunnel. The original plan to serve Anaheim via mixed traffic operations in a newly grade separated dual track section south of Fullerton was eliminated in favor of quad tracking, last not least to avoid falling foul of FRA.
However, the fact that Caltrain got a waiver subject to conditions that could just as easily apply to HSR in standard-speed sections suggests that FRA is actually more receptive to mixed traffic than it has been in decades.
(b) UPRR operations. Presently, UPRR uses a short afternoon window in Caltrain’s operations to move freight cars between the Port of SF and the south SF marshalling yard. As mentioned before, the existing turnout to the freight spur is only connected to the northbound main track, such that southbound marshalling trains have to run through tunnel #3 in reverse direction before they can cut over to the southbound main track.
Both HSR and Caltrain plans assume increased operations throughout the day, making the afternoon window impractical. The Caltrain waiver already includes a provision to restrict freight traffic to the wee hours of the night, ostensibly on safety but really on operational grounds. This may not be as onerous as it sounds if transshipping imported cars into plate H autoracks becomes the Port of SF’s primary activity, since those could only pass through tunnels #3 and #4 at night, when the OCS can be switched off.
Passenger cars actually constitute comparatively light freight, so even the axle loads would be modest and much lighter locomotives could be used to haul the goods to Santa Clara.
(c) Caltrain + HSR operations. The commuter railway, which just declared a fiscal emergency after cuts in its operating subsidies, is proceeding on the assumption that large capital investments in electrification and a modern EMU fleet will make it profitable enough to not just maintain but grow its ridership while sharply reducing its appetite for operating subsidies, at least on a per-passenger basis. Its plans call for not 5 but 8-10 trains per hour each way during peak periods by 2025.
The full grade separations that CHSRA is offering in return for part of the ROW would avoid one negative side effect of such growth in rail traffic: any remaining grade crossings would be closed much more frequently during rush hour, potentially prompting motorists to try and swerve around the gates with statistically predictable results.
For its part, CHSRA is cheerfully predicting sufficient ridership to support 7-8 trains per hour each way between SF and the other three end points on a fully built-out statewide network: Anaheim, San Diego and Sacramento. If/since the design of the Transbay Terminal station and throat cannot support that volume of traffic, the idea is to use 4th & King for overflow capacity. AB3034 sets a hard limit of 24 stations total for the statewide network, so using not one but two of those for SF would require a station elsewhere to be cut. Sylmar in the northern San Fernando valley has been mentioned, ostensibly due to problems in securing a suitable ROW through or under land owned by the Disney Corp. land in Santa Clarita.
However, if HSR really becomes popular enough to support 7-8 trains per hour into SF, each potentially a full-length consist of bi-level cars offering 1000-1500 seats depending on layout, it might make sense to terminate some in San Jose or else at Millbrae/SFO. Indeed, by that time there may well be calls to find a ROW and funding for a spur up the East Bay to Oakland Coliseum.
If you optimistically add up Caltrain’s and CHSRA’s service forecasts and assume that they have overlapping peak periods, then and only then would sharing the existing two tracks between Bayshore and 4th & King imply a total of 15-20 trains per hour each way. Modern signaling permits as many as 30 (cp. Mattstetten to Rothrist in Switzerland), provided they travel at very compatible speeds and there are zero stops on the main line. An therein lies the rub, as Caltrain’s 22nd St station is surrounded by freeway supports. The sloped embankment just west of those could perhaps be modified to permit the construction of additional tracks at the same level, but such tracks could not merge back into the main line anywhere south of 4th & King. A deep underpass at 16th and closing the Berry St crossing would be possible, but eliminating 7th St south of Townsend would present a severe traffic restriction for businesses west of it.
The station is the 11th or 12th busiest in the Caltrain corridorv and, ideally located for ridership growth the new UCSF campus in Mission Bay. Nevertheless, given the very high cost of quad tracking, it might make sense to take a hard-nosed approach and provide only bare-bones commute-period Caltrain service there. Think in terms of just 2 trains per hour, albeit with extra-long trainsets to deliver a meaningful level of capacity. Braking, dwelling and accelerating back up again will eliminate HSR slots on the timetable during rush hour, but that may be a price worth paying: Caltrain serves more northbound than southbound commuters in the early morning, when there aren’t any northbound HSR trains full of passengers to worry about yet. That means more Caltrains could stop at 22nd St northbound at that time without constraining HSR service. Southbound morning commuters would have the option of either timing their arrival at the station to coincide with the rare train that does stop at 22nd St or else, walking or cycling up to 4th & King/Townsend via Townsend St.
The upshot is that none of the reasons for quad tracking in this section really holds water.
Analysis of HSR Yard Options
On a separate note, CHSRA’s apparent lack of foresight in securing overnight stabling capacity – never mind light maintenance – for its fleet near the SF terminal is remarkable. The issue of yards, which this blog has touched on in May of 2009, is simply not addressed at all in the preliminary alignment alternatives documents for the SF-SJ section.
The old Bayshore yard would be easily large enough and fairly close to SF. Yard operations there would not require the same level of a priori remediation needed for a residential development that would anyhow have to deal with a very busy rail line. The applicable target for trace contaminants would presumably be set by OSHA. Nevertheless, once again hosting a large rail yard is not at all what the city of Brisbane has in mind for Baylands, even if an elevated Geneva Ave were extended across the yard.
Perhaps CHSRA is assuming that some of Caltrain’s platforms at 4th & King could be demolished, turning part of that into a stabling yard for a subset of late evening trains, since Caltrain will be running to Transbay Terminal whenever it can. Unfortunately, this logic does not hold true if, as previously assumed, Caltrain itself needs to stable a larger fleet to support expanded commuter operations.
UPRR’s marshaling yard in south SF would be too small and will anyhow not be available as long as there are freight rail operations in the northern peninsula. There may not even be an opportunity to quad track the main line at that location, given that UPRR owns the tracks to either side outright.
Constructing a brand-new yard in the Bayview/Hunters Point district would likely be opposed on the basis of impacts to industrial businesses if not environmental justice, even though it would bring a useful number of jobs to this depressed area. Besides, the main line runs well above the grade level of land to either side there.
It might just be possible to construct a run-through yard in San Bruno, immediately north of the Millbrae/SFO station. This would imply terminating a subset of late evening trains at that station and asking passengers headed for SF to transfer to either Caltrain or BART. The southern turnoffs toward 101 would be located in-between where the BART ramps to SFO run. The northern turnoffs would thread the needle between the BART portal and 1st Ave, which would double as the access road. Technically, the area is designated “Marina Vista Park” but it’s only partially landscaped and anyhow sandwiched between two major transportation arteries. The view is of SFO, not the Bay. Note that Caltrain’s San Bruno station is due to be moved north to W San Bruno Ave, though the design may need to be modified to ease the curve radius for HSR operations.
An alternative concept would be for some late-night HSR trains into SF to turn around and make a final revenue run of the day south to SJ Diridon. In the early morning, those would execute revenue runs back up to SF before resuming normal statewide service. Of course, that would reduce the number of northbound Caltrains that could stop at 22nd St.
Conclusions and Suggestions
- Both CHSRA and Caltrain should assume that reducing the cost of the corridor improvements while maintaining as much of the functionality as possible is paramount. CHSRA cannot secure prop 1A bond appropriations until and unless it has matching non-state funds. To that end, PCJPB could pro forma cancel some of Caltrain’s big-ticket projects (electrification, signaling R&D) and reprogram those dollars to related aspects of the HSR effort, which the regional service would then leverage. That implies letting CHSRA make the vendor decisions, even if that means continuing diesel operations for longer than originally planned. There are ways to plug the operating shortfall until then, e.g. reprogramming the balance of Caltrain’s $41 million share of prop 1A to CHSRA in return for cash on hand associated with guarantees related to using the ROW for HSR even if Caltrain has to shutter operations.
- Without HSR, there will be no full grade separation of the entire corridor anytime soon. Any attempt to actually implement the Caltrain 2025 plan to double rail traffic volume without those would surely be challenged in the requisite CEQA proceedings due to the impact on cross traffic at all remaining grade crossings. If upheld, Caltrain would be limited to running much longer trains, which wouldn’t be close to full during mid-day runs. Reconfiguring every consist twice a day every weekday is possible but perhaps not sufficient to sustain the business case for electrification and PTC implementation, absent full grade separation.
- However, even if Caltrain’s own projects are merged more completely with CHSRA’s, with the latter organization actually taking the lead, it will still be necessary to drive down total project cost even further. The funding simply is not there yet and intelligent cost cutting increases the probability of closing the gap. Among the lowest hanging fruit in the entire corridor is to simply exploit the already existing dual track rail infrastructure between Bayshore and 4th & King more intensively, even though that will mean reduced Caltrain service frequency at the 22nd St. station and also constrain UPRR service to the Port of SF to nighttime operations. In other words: no new mainline tracks at all in this stretch.
- Optionally, construct gauntlet tracks for AAR plate H cars through tunnels #3 and #4, with implications for OCS height all the way to Santa Clara. Ideally, get UPRR to accept an axle load limit of 22.5 metric tonnes and a 2% limit for gradient transitions in the corridor as a quid pro quo. Sweeten the deal with electrification out the port of SF plus a free electric locomotive if need be. The cost of accommodating heavy rail or else, of abandonment proceedings, could be much higher and lead to more CEQA challenges against the corridor upgrade project.
- Construct a deep road underpass at 16th St, with a short bridge connecting 7th St to Mississippi St.
- Close the Berry St. grade crossing and pave over a dirt section under I-280 to connect it to Channel St. on the Mission Bay side.
- Begin a 3.5% effective curved descent into the DTX tunnel immediately north of the hydrological tunneling hazard posed by Mission Creek. There are already four tracks side-by-side, use the ones in the center for this purpose and reconnect the outer ones to the platforms at 4th & King as far west as possible. The radius of the entire curve may need to be increased at the expense of some utility buildings and tracks right at the corner of 7th and Towsend. Even then, flange lubrication will be needed to avoid excessive squeal noise in the neighborhood. Also, Caltrain might want to consider Talgo 22 bi-level rolling stock for its self-steering wheelsets that avoid flange contact by design. However, that choice would have consequences for vendor lock, platform height, acceleration, cost etc.
- Give the search for a viable overnight stabling strategy for HSR high priority in the project-level planning process as it might have implications for service patterns in the early morning and late evening, with consequences for ridership predictions. There are no easy options but without adequate parking, you cannot fire up the service in the morning. If Bayshore is not available or too contaminated, San Bruno and/or the San Jose gambit should be explored. If at all possible, stabling should always be implemented at the lowest possible cost, i.e. at grade and, with minimal deadhead run distances.
- Do not deprive another deserving city elsewhere in the state of an HSR station just to turn 4th & King into a second one for SF. If need be, ask the state legislature to modify or re-interpret the 24 station limit of AB3034.

@ Rafael
Your first link under “CHSRA plans” doesn’t work.
Rafael Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 1:23 am
Sorry for the inconvenience, that was a typo. The link should work now.
Where is there room for a stabling yard in San José?
YesonHSR Reply:
June 5th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
The current Caltrain yard is brand new dont know if there is enough room for 2 operations to share it ?
then only a small staging yard in/near SF would do
Joey Reply:
June 5th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
There is no space at CEOMF. I doubt CalTrain will even have enough space there once it expands operations…
Rafael Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 4:28 am
I was thinking of the Newhall Yard in Santa Clara. It belongs to VTA and is currently slated to become a major BART maintenance facility. However, it’s really huge and part of it could probably be used for limited HSR stabling capacity without undue effects on the BART project. So, it’s more “not yet developed” than “available”.
There’s also a much smaller patch of undeveloped land between Colman, 87, the fallow portion of UPRR’s Milpitas line and the Guadeloupe river. Turning that into an HSR yard would require eminent domain against several businesses plus a structure above the river, but it would be very close to Diridon station. That said, I’d prefer Bayshore or even San Bruno to this.
That 2 station in SF(4thand King) wont be needed for a long time and by that time construction will be over ,I would think that the operator or what ever agency running HSR would be able to add stations at that point. I think the yard will be built at bayshore ,but do they really need that much land? I would not think so..Riding Caltrain numerous times I notice a large amount of semi vacate/run down buildings along the ROW in the city and Im sure SF would love a new modern train base to replace that blight with high paying jobs..this could be another option
Rafael Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 1:27 am
No, I think they would only need a fraction of the patch shown in yellow on my map. However, since it’s contaminated, they might not have the option of buying just a slice. With a large active rail yard, the remainder of the land becomes much less attractive to real estate developers.
Rafael Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 5:14 am
Btw, what makes you think 4th & King would only be needed in SF for a short time? It’s being considered because the Transbay Terminal design supposedly doesn’t offer sufficient throughput capacity, not because CHSRA wants to start running trains several years before the DTX tunnel is constructed.
AB3034 is very explicit: the definition of the starter line, which enjoys first – i.e. exclusive – dibs on prop 1A bonds is “San Francisco Transbay Terminal to Los Angeles and Anaheim”. No wiggle room for 4th & King, no mention of San Jose. SF politicians put their pet project in the law because they could.
YesonHSR Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Rafael..its I dont think they will need that 2nd terminal active for many years ..far in the future as TBT will do at least until all the phases and services. are open.is it not the 2035 levels and beyond thats is maxed out?
rafael Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 11:44 am
Well, CHSRA believes it has a mandate to deliver enough capacity for the next 100 years. For whatever reason, the authority has this idée fixe that all HSR trains must dwell for 30-40 minutes in SF so they can be cleaned after every single run up from SoCal or Sac. With only 4 platform tracks in the TBT train box, a mile-long station throat with two sharp curves and a 3 minute headway requirement, there’s no way the HSR operator could run the (optimistically) projected 7-8 trains per hour each way during peak period.
Cleaning should be done at the end of each SoCal-SF-SoCal run, in SoCal. Idem for runs to Sac. With some optimizations in the DTX design (shorter throat, rail flange lubrication, Caltrain island platform under 4th & King at an angle with two bypass tracks instead of under 4th & Townsend) and minimum headways (ETCS level 2 permits as little as 2 min at 200km/h), there should be no need for a second SF station for HSR trains.
However, Caltrain needs 4th & King for overnight stabling of its own fleet, so CHSRA is going to have to do that somewhere else.
Peter Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Didn’t they drop their dwell time “requirements”?
rafael Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
If they did, I’m not aware of it. Do you have a reference?
Peter Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/images/chsr/20100408094951_Appendix%20K%20Train%20Operations.pdf
No, you’re right. Page 5. They’re still looking at 30 minutes minimum.
rafael Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Shoot foot. Reload.
Railways in other countries manage to turn around trains at terminal (as opposed to 19th century terminus) stations in 6-10. It’s all about how you define you route and how big a brigade you have for cleaning all the cars in parallel.
Alon Levy Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
The Shinkansen turns trains around in 10 minutes by having large cleaner brigades and automatic motors turning the seats in the correct direction. This is intensive and should probably be avoided when there’s enough room for 15-20 minute turnaround times. But a 10-minute turnaround time could be useful later if traffic picks up enough that 15 would clog the station.
rafael Reply:
June 7th, 2010 at 1:44 am
Well, at this point CHSRA is considering additional platforms at 4th & King so the operator wouldn’t need to hire as many cleaners. It’s the taxpayers who are getting taken there.
Dan S. Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
I used to think this was a good idea, i.e., don’t do cleaning in SF to help solve the “dwell time” number that was driving the high number of platforms required at Transbay. But now I’m thinking about stepping onto my nice shiny new HSR train in SF with my $100 ticket for LA (or whatever it is) and sitting down in my seat and seeing all the trash in the seat pocket left by the last seat-occupier.
If I had more faith in the cleanliness of my fellow Californians I might be more easily moved by this argument that trains should only be cleaned down in LA! ;-)
BTW, someone mentioned the Shinkansen turning seats? Mark me down as a supporter of that awesome technology! I would love for Cali’s HSR to have no backward-facing seats (except when the passengers wanted to re-position them on their own to create little pods for groups of 4 or 6). Go Japan tech!
adirondacker12800 Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
Seats that turn have been around forever. Using motors to do it is a Japanese tweak.
rafael Reply:
June 7th, 2010 at 1:50 am
Keep it simple and stupid. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with backward facing seats on an HSR train. Unlike e.g. a bus, it runs rock steady and unbalanced accelerations are modest. You won’t get nauseous even if you can direct your gaze forward. Frankly, you’ll quickly settle down in your seat and do something more entertaining or productive than looking out of the window.
Also, keeping seats fixed in one direction permits closer spacing, i.e. more seats per car, i.e. lower fares. The common arrangement is for half of all seats to face in one direction and half in the other, with a popular set of facing seats in the middle.
Dan S. Reply:
June 7th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Just saying I like seats that always face forward and I love the way they do it on the Shinkansen. I know you can still get from A to B facing backwards, just voting for my preference. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with me expressing my opinion, thank you very much. That’s stupidly obvious.
@rafael: I don’t think the Shinkansen turny-seats sacrifice any capacity at all for their turniness. I’d bet your complaint is unfounded.
BTW, what other HSR trainsets have only forward-facing seats besides the Shinkansen?
Alon Levy Reply:
June 9th, 2010 at 1:16 am
The Shinkansen has a very generous seat pitch – 960 mm in standard class on the old trains, 1,040 on the newest trains. I don’t know why it’s so. It could be the motors; it could be that capacity is constrained by other issues, such as bathroom space; it could be a cultural expectation of more space; it could be compensating for the narrow seat width.
The Shinkansen nonetheless has high capacity, because of the 2+3 seating, the distributed traction, the long cars (=fewer vestibules), and the lack of a space-consuming bistro car.
For tunnels 3 and 4, wouldn’t it be easier to do some light excavation to make the tunnel floors lower while keeping the ceiling the same as it is? That could be a pretty easy, cost effective way to placate UP’s interests and trackage rights with regard to access to the Port of SF.
Joey Reply:
June 5th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
But service would have to be shut down entirely while that happened. Besides, is Plate H really that important?
HSRComingSoon Reply:
June 5th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
If it means cooperation with UP and getting them to back off, then yes, it is important. This can be used as a negotiation tactic.
political_incorrectness Reply:
June 5th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
For two trains a day? Hmmm, nope. If UP thinks their trains are that important on the ROW, then this could allow CAHSR to obtain some ROW in the CV perhaps.
HSRComingSoon Reply:
June 5th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
UP is going to negotiate hard. This is a carrot that Caltrain/HSR can dangle, just like UP is able to do the same thing with running track along its corridors. The key is to find what objectives can be mutually beneficial with all sides gaining from a situation. It is likely the case that tunnels 3 and 4 will have to be worked on, so why not offer up this in exchange for __(fill in the blank)___.
Victor Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 12:47 am
Agreed, Caltrain/HSR has one thing over UPRR in San Francisco: Leverage
This needs to be exploited.
adirondacker12800 Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 8:29 am
SP was desperately trying to abandon the line for decades. UP’s “demands” could just be a way to make the mean old nasty high speed rail authority be the one everyone blames for abandoning freight service.
Rafael Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 9:23 am
SP lost revenue on the line because freight volume declined once Oakland became the premier Bay Area port while passenger volume declined as soon as the freeways were built. Nevertheless, as the owner-operator, SP still had to deal with the high cost of maintenance and operations.
UPRR doesn’t own the line, it just owns limited trackage rights. Also, it doesn’t operate passenger service. That combination means it can make a little bit of profit even though the daily freight volume is very light.
As for banishing freight from the corridor: neither Caltrain nor CHSRA have called for that, though I have. Clem has suggested a compromise, designating the SF peninsula a so-called “short line” with limited axle loads and steeper gradients. Whether operating under those constraints, exclusively at night, would still eb profitable for UPRR and its customers is unknown.
Rafael Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 1:39 am
I suspect that if plate H autorack operations were feasible, business at the Port of SF would pick up. Still peanuts in absolute terms compared to Oakland, never mind LA/LB, but perhaps similar to National City south of San Diego.
It might mean – egads! – 3 or even 4 trains a
daynight.Constructing gauntlet tracks would be cheap compared to lowering the main line tracks through those tunnels. If you’re going to run a lot of Caltrain + HSR passenger trains on a tight schedule during the day, splicing in a freight train would be tricky operationally, never mind raise regulatory red flags with FRA. Just let them run at night after you can switch the OCS off.
That said, the business case for even gauntlet tracks + a higher elevation of the OCS all the way to Santa Clara still has to be made in terms of incremental cost to the taxpayer vs. incremental tax revenue from the activity. Clem has long argued that accommodating UPRR and the port of SF on plate H clearance would amount to corporate welfare. I don’t dispute that, but I’m looking at the bigger picture: CHSRA needs to play nice with UPRR because its plan of record still calls for constructing dedicated HSR tracks in close proximity to that company’s freight tracks in about 50% of the entire built-out network, especially for the spur up to Sacramento. So far, UPRR has been hostile to the idea but CHSRA doesn’t have a whole lot of choice – multiple Central Valley cities have already expressed a strong preference for the UPRR/CA-99 corridor over the BNSF corridor, in part because CHSRA hasn’t been brutally honest enough.
HSRforCali Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 9:40 am
I say we do this; if UP won’t let us run next to their tracks south of SJ and in the CV, then we don’t let them operate up the SF Peninsula. If they decide it’s for some reason perfectly safe all of a sudden to run HSTs next to their tracks, then we should let them operate up the Peninsula.
Richard Mlynarik Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 11:01 am
You just don’t get it. UP doesn’t want to OPERATE on the Peninsula, and hasn’t for 30 years.
Just where exactly do we find all this profitable traffic for either them or anybody else?
rafael Reply:
June 7th, 2010 at 1:52 am
They’re a private for-profit company. If they were losing money in the peninsula year after year, they’d shut down operations, wouldn’t they?
adirondacker12800 Reply:
June 7th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
UP isn’t responsible for the track. I’m sure they pay fees to Caltrain for the use of it but they don’t have to come up with things like property taxes on it. Or pay for the grade separations. Or the new crossing gates or…..
rafael Reply:
June 7th, 2010 at 2:08 am
There are presumably long-term contracts between UPRR and its customers that UPRR would have to pay to break. Still, 30 years of penury? What’s the timescale on those contracts?
rafael Reply:
June 7th, 2010 at 2:01 am
While the 1991 contract between SP and PCJPB does include clause 8.3(c), which permits unilateral abandonment of freight service by PCJPB if necessary changes to the commuter service call for it. The contract doesn’t say so explicitly, but this was probably included just in case broad gauge BART tracks were ever strung through the peninsula. However, various aspects of the current corridor upgrade project, e.g. feasible vertical transition gradients, could arguably qualify as well.
However, invoking the clause would amount to a special form of eminent domain, that of revoking an easement. There would be federal abandonment proceedings, which would lead to compensation payments to UPRR and presumably, its remaining customers. Clem’s proposal is to designate the peninsula a “short line” instead, with limited axle loads and steeper transition gradients where appropriate. This would amount to a restriction on the easement, as would limiting freight traffic to operations at night.
Richard Mlynarik Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 11:03 am
Anybody who thinks that the Port of San Francisco is of any conceivable relevance is either
(a) on the payroll of the Port and seeking to self-perpetuate
(b) UNABLE TO READ A MAP.
They don’t call the San Francisco Peninsula a “peninsula” for nothing.
Peter Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 11:08 am
Why are they still even in operation? There’s no way they can’t be operating at a loss…
rafael Reply:
June 7th, 2010 at 2:07 am
That was Clem’s argument, the sums involved are very small. Afaik, the port agency is separate from the city of SF, so it’s not clear who would have the authority to shut them down.
Alon Levy Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Gauntlet tracks are way too expensive to maintain for the benefit they’d bring to Caltrain.
Alon Levy Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
I should clarify that I mean the Caltrain corridor. If the choice is between incompatible platform heights and gauntlet tracks, Caltrain should go for gauntlet tracks. However, if the choice is between ending freight service and gauntlet tracks, gauntlet tracks don’t justify the extra maintenance cost.
rafael Reply:
June 7th, 2010 at 2:04 am
To clarify, the gauntlet tracks I was talking about would permit AAR plate H cars to fit through the levacy tunnels #3 and #4. Platform heights are a separate issue.
Alon Levy Reply:
June 9th, 2010 at 1:09 am
Who needs plate H?
“is proceeding on the assumption that large capital investments in electrification and a modern EMU fleet will make it profitable enough to not just maintain but grow its ridership”
Can someone explain this? I understand electrification allows quicker start/stops but I don’t think I understand the economics. Are electric trains cheaper to operate?
Peter Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 11:07 am
Yes, they are cheaper to operate. They don’t have to burn diesel fuel and use less energy overall (less heat energy loss). Not to mention that they use energy more efficiently, because the power plant that generated the electricity is much more efficient in converting chemical energy into electrical energy. IIRC, paying for fuel is a HUGE part of Caltrain’s budget.
I’m not sure about the other aspects of the operating expenses. I’m sure others can fill in on that.
D. P. Lubic Reply:
June 9th, 2010 at 2:15 am
There is also reduced maintenance cost with electric railroad equipment; you don’t have that gigantic diesel main engine, with all its auxiliary systems (radiators and fans for cooling, lubrication and filter systems) that amount to something like a third of a locomotive’s maintenance cost.
Of course, there is the trade-off of having to maintain all those wires, poles or spans, and so on, plus the interest charges on building all that stuff in the first place, including modifications to the signal system and new equipment. I don’t know if this would still apply, but back in the 1930s it was appreciated that the cost to electrify a railroad cost almost as much as building a new railroad. I suspect this included what would amount to a grid or partial grid for the railroad, as what was available at the time was often inadequate; what is now the Northeast Corridor carries not just railroad catenary, but much of its own distribution system as well, all built at the same time. This is a big part of why the regular railroad system never did electrify, especially in the face of subsidized competition.
Richard Mlynarik Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 11:17 am
At high levels of traffic, yes. At Caltrain levels it’s rather marginal.
The real savings from having modernized trains was supposed to have been getting out from under the killing regulatory deadweight of the FRA and to stop operating as a “commuter railroad”.
Having a single person (the train driver) operate a train rather than the 3 or 4 of a “commuter railroad”, and having trains that weight less than battletanks (trains that don’t necessarily have to be electrically powered, but that’s a nice side effect) and not following Norther American railroad operating practices suited for the 19th century would have counted for far more than just putting wires up over the track — just look at SEPTA for an example of how you can have electric power but still be a catastrophe — and there were great hopes at one time that the technology transformation associated with fleet renewal could be the edge of the wedge that modernized Caltrain, but no.
Unfortunately our “friends” at Caltrain and their very special consultant friends have actively pursued a path of maximal FRA bondage, actively seeking to perpetuate freight and freight practices, self-servingly creating the “need” for unique “technical” solutions (eg CBOSS), driving up capital costs and locking in very special preferred sole-source vendors (one guess who will “win” the “competitive” rolling stock procurement written by LTK), and showing no evidence anywhere of addressing the disastrous regulatory and operations costs overheads that come with it.
So we have a lose-lose situation once again: very high capital costs for electrification and higher (check out Caltrain’s electrification FEIR! you can’t make this stuff up!) operating+maintenance costs. They want to run an Olde Tyme Commuter Railroad just like today, but with the added expense of keeping the overhead wires in good repair. Everybody involved richly deserves to be put out of our misery.
YesonHSR Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Is this just an American rule ? The Canadian transcon has no American style conductor/brakmen..just an OB supervisor that act as the above do
thatbruce Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Unlike BART, Caltrain has no fare gates at any of their stations, so they put extra staff onboard
for fare verification (selling tickets onboard would be appreciated, as anyone who has encounted a broken ticket machine would attest to). A long distance operation has far more time in between stops for the same job function, so a dedicated position or two is not needed.
Putting fare gates at their highest patronage stations would help.
Spokker Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Fare gates would be more expensive and more trouble than they are worth.
Commuter trains can get by with one conductor. Metrolink does it every day.
Richard Mlynarik Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Stations in central Europe have no fare gates (making them open and accessible, and allowing the fastest train access and the fastest inter-modal transfers) yet the local trains have no conductors.
Try it, you’ll like it.
Fare gates are a solution (= profits, = tens and hundreds of millions for Cubic, Inc, in the Californian context) in search of a problem.
Ridiculous over-staffing of “commuter railroads” is a combination of union feather bedding, regulatory insanity, 50 year obsolete train design, and Not Invented Here/nostalgia/hideboundness, all wrapped up in a delicious creamy coating of always treating public transportation as a welfare undertaking first, and a public service last.
Clem Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Hey, I didn’t get my hat check!
thatbruce Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
@Richard: been there, lived that; had my proof of fare payment swiped daily at the unobtrusive fare gates located at those open European stations (western though, not central).
Would it be better to suggest that those Caltrain ticket inspectors would be better employed as peak-hour fare gates at the high traffic stations?
Alon Levy Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
There’s really no point in having a hybrid system. Figure out if it’s cheaper to hire inspectors on the model of the German-speaking world or station agents on the model of the Paris RER and Japan; then stick with the choice. If Berlin Hauptbahnof manages without faregates, so can TBT.
Dan S. Reply:
June 7th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
I like fare gates because I don’t like the “honor system” aka “proof of payment”. I would rather pay station agents to explain the ticket machines than police to inspect me and my fellow passengers after I board. I think it’s a better passenger experience.
Peter Reply:
June 6th, 2010 at 11:27 am
Interestingly, if you look at Caltrain’s budget projections, operating expenses would stay approximately flat when comparing diesel to electric between now and 2019.
I’m guessing that the difference between diesel and electric would be a little bit greater in 2019 (oil prices are likely to keep rising), but for increased labor costs, and more frequent operations.
Rafael Reply:
June 7th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Which tells us what? That electrification alone isn’t going to solve Caltrain’s fundamental problem of operating subsidies that are higher than the three peninsula counties are prepared to provide. Right now, Caltrain is cutting back service during the day and on weekends and, raising fares. Service to Gilroy will likely be suspended altogether.
Both hurt ridership, such that operating subsidies per passenger stay the same or even increase. Long-term, Caltrain needs to figure out a business model that provides a useful level of public transportation at a subsidy level voters are willing to support. Reducing train crews from 3 to 1 is obvious low-hanging fruit, even if that means some passengers will cheat by not paying their fare. Roaming enforcement crews that conduct random spot checks on all disembarking passengers at a given station for a period of time usually do the trick, provided the fines are high enough.
Note that voters also have to fund debt service, so they’re not willing to spend arbitrary amounts on capital projects just reduce the cost of operations a little bit.
About 83% of total ridership is concentrated at just 10 stations, thanks to the popularity of the baby bullet service and real-world commute patterns in the peninsula. Caltrain faces a dilemma: should it continue to serve all of its stations in the hope of maximize political support for a tax hike or else, scale back operations to just the busiest stations – knowing that would prompt howls of protest from the 17% who would be left in the lurch?
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Note that operating locals using super-heavy FRA-compliant locomotives with diesel gensets is especially expensive. Electric trains can recuperate brake energy back into the OCS and, lighter trains store less kinetic energy.
Provided other trains on the same electric segment are consuming electricity, the substation can avoid an overvoltage condition by scaling back the amount of power it draws from the grid. The grid operator can respond in seconds by throttling back gas turbines or small hydro turbines, faster if the corridor’s train management system gives the utility a few seconds advance warning of scheduled fluctuation events (braking is a function of the railway’s timetable).
Alternatively, ride-through systems at the OCS substation can peak shave the load on the grid. Such systems are expensive, relative to the cost of simply dissipating excess brake energy in snubber circuits, which are essentially giant ohmic resistors with forced cooling. The versions that are anyhow installed on board electric trains are called rheostats and can provide emergency brake power even if the OCS goes off-line.
Ride-through systems rely on fairly exotic technology and are not widely deployed, even in electrified transit situations where they would arguably make the most sense. In addition to cost and operational complexity, there are safety issues associated with storing large amounts of kinetic or electric potential in a small space. This applies especially for systems based on superflywheels.
The bottom line is that electrified transit is not a whole lot more energy-efficient than diesels, unless rail traffic volume is high enough. The primary advantages are zero tailpipe emissions, a choice of primary energy sources and especially, faster acceleration and hence line throughput. Electric drivetrains also suffer little wear and tear, so it’s easier to expand service beyond commute hours.
Good God.
This is all very very very simple and does not require any great level of intelligence, insight, or technical skill:
* 2 tracks from Bayshore to Mission Bay.
* 2 tracks in tunnel from Mission Bay to Transbay.
At most two trains can be MOVING in this section (think about it!) so more than 2 running tracks means that they are building an underground track in the very most expensive part of the entire system … for parking non-moving trains. Cretins.
Minimally-competent traffic management arranges for trains to enter the expensive tunnel in the correct order by buffering them in the stations at either end (Transbay, Mission Bay) until the optimum departure second. This is easy.
* A single, shared station at Mission Bay, featuring:
** an island platform (extremely important for traffic reasons, so that outbound trains are free to stop on either side with no delay waiting for passengers to reach a different platform)
** bypass tracks (with platforms where physically feasible, which turns out to be one out of two of them) to allow expresses but most importantly to reordering of arriving trains to match terminal approach constraints;
** full-length, HSR-compatible 400m platforms;
** a total 5 through tracks, 4 platform tracks, 3 through platform tracks, 1 terminal platform track. all sub-surface but open to the sky (trenched). (More through platform tracks are desirable, but infeasible due to stupid ROW loss.)
This station is is configured to allow:
* buffering and reordering of trains entering the critical terminal approach sections, and do that at station platforms, in the open air rather than in a far more expensive and far more dangerous inter-station tunnel
* limited scheduled turnback of trains
* 80% Transbay capacity for complete turnback
* overtakes of locals by expresses
* a significant amount of overnight train storage capacity at the platforms.
* NO sub-moronic, hyper-cretinous Caltrain-only special needs surface terminal at Mission Bay.
* Almost two entire city blocks (Fourth to Sixth, Townsend to King) for real estate development rather than parking out of service steam trains at ground level.
* 22nd Street can stay; with good traffic management at Bayshore and at Mission Bay and with adequate performance Caltrain equipment it is unproblematic to have a large percentage of Caltrain services stop there if necessary.
* It is conceivable that duplicating Tunnel #4 (the southen-most tunnel, directly north of Bayshore) may be desirable for safety/evacuation (it is the longest tunnel), aerodynamic (northbound express trains may be decelerating from ~140kmh) and traffic management (a third track may allow southbound locals stopping at Bayshore to free up some marginal capacity.) In this case the existing tunnel could be single-tracked and two new, nominally-southbound tracks would run in a new, parallel bore. There is NO NEED to duplicate any of the other tunnels, as non-third-world-level traffic management can ensure free-flowing traffic on a limited two-track section for 16+tph.
* A small optional amount of storage/stabling yard (~ 4 x 400m) can be built alongside the tracks in Mission Bay. (My suggestion is underneath Townsend Street, since utilities and sewer outfalls must be relocated anyway. Parallel to the tracks around the curve from 7th to Townsend is also feasible, but results in some loss of developable real estate.)
* No freight. Duh.
* HSR/Caltrain overnight stabling and light servicing (= toilet emptying) yard at Bayshore. There is no other feasible location.
rafael Reply:
June 7th, 2010 at 2:32 am
I’d rather see northbound trains slow from 90mph to 79mph before entering tunnel #4 than dig a second bore there.
Agree on keeping 22nd St station open, with limited Caltrain service.
Not sure why any trains would be stuck waiting for a signal to turn green inside the DTX tunnel. With proper traffic management, it should be possible to shift any buffering that might be needed all the way south to Bayshore. To my mind, that’s where the SF tunnel complex leading to the TBT begins.
By “Mission Bay”, I’m assuming you mean the 4th & King station. The idea of putting that underground is beguiling, since electric trains permit just that. More importantly, there would be scope for multiple run-through tracks and island platforms – even if those would be located a short walk from 4th St. However, note that Mission Creek has to be crossed either at grade or deep underground. Constructing what amounts to a giant bathtub below sea level immediately next to Mission Creek would also be expensive, if only because the structure would have to remain sealed even after a major earthquake. IIRC, Caltrain has a slide showing an office tower above at-grade electrified tracks at 4th & King, so the concept of selling air rights is familiar to them. It wouldn’t make sense to put the tracks (deep) underground just to get additional commercial floor space at grade. At most, that would be a fringe benefit of a decision related to maximizing the number of run-through tracks.
Richard Mlynarik Reply:
June 7th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Re tunnel #4: I’m just throwing that out, and I’m being honest by saying that I think there are legitimate technical (not the usual Caltrain/HSR cost maximization ones) for evaluating an additional parallel tunnel. For my money safety and evacuation is the strongest one, but I don’t discount the others.
Re “Not sure why any trains would be stuck waiting for a signal to turn green inside the DTX tunnel”.
Don’t ask me, ask Caltrain and TJPA’s world class rail designers at PTG, and ask the TJPA, Caltrain and CHSRA staff who signed off on this catastrophe of unprofessionalism.
Maximizing cost and minimizing throughput, and minimizing operational flexibility seem to be their only goals. Simply unbelievable. And $400m of your federal tax HSR stiumulus dollars are disappearing into that hole. Crucifixion seems much too kind a fate.
Re: Mission Creek: The “creek” is in fact a 4 8.25×9.5 foot box culverts (Division Outfall) lying directly beneath the existing grade. (“Drop by and visit some day.)
Note that HSR is planning to go underneath … but the ultra-morons believe Caltrain should go above, at grade, to its Special Needs surface terminal, and thus fail to grade separate 16th and Common Streets in San Francisco.
Rebuilding the culverts to bridge a trenched train box to pass beneath is a straightforward and readily phased operation.
As for “giant bathtubs” … ummm, the entire DTX is below the water table and below sea level, and crosses through and under multiple existing utilities and large sewer and water lines. Deal with it. Everybody but the TJPA/Caltrain morons is planning to deal with it everywhere past Division Street, after all.
It doesn’t make sense to “put tracks deep underground to get additional commercial” development for many reasons. The first is that deep doesn’t work geometrically. The second is that deep is expensive, far more expensive than returns. The third is that deep makes for unnecessarily slow and unpleasant (and expensive) stations, with the full apparatus of underground mezzanine levels, etc, and the full (and very very expensive) fire and emergency issues that come with confined underground spaces and thousands of possible evacuees. The last is that people here have incredibly unrealistic ideas of how building mechanical and structural systems work, and how poorly they interact with operationally practical train stations in constrained areas. Yeah yeah, Tokyo and all, heard it all before, but the economic and engineering reality here is that it doesn’t pan out.
A 2.5% falling grade (see diagram) starting at the end of existing Tunnel 1 (under Mariposa Street) loses enough height, including allowance for vertical curvature, in 290m to pass under 16th Street (grade separation — solved), then continue trenched below grade under the Mission Creek Viaduct of I-280 to pass under Common Street (grade separation — solved) and under the Division Street outfall box culverts.
Anyway, not rocket science on any front. Sadly, we choose not to employ any transportation engineers who could even arrange for takeoff of a soda bottle.
Alon Levy Reply:
June 9th, 2010 at 1:09 am
Actually, Tokyo supports what you’re saying. Tokyo has so many subway lines that all new construction has to go deep underground, pushing costs up. Tokyo Metro is forswearing building new subway extensions on the grounds that the next line would cost $500 million/km (about two thirds as much as the Central Subway and almost a third as much as Second Avenue Subway). It’s only built the last two lines because expected costs were lower, and at any case ridership is so strong that the per-rider cost is not that high.
The other “interesting” decision that has been made here is to separate all traffic into 2 + 2 tracks starting south of Bayshore. The decision point for 4th & King vs. Transbay is made more than 5 miles out from the stations.
Why?
rafael Reply:
June 9th, 2010 at 2:26 am
CHSRA believes it has a mandate to overbuild for the next 100 years. The plans currently published predate the Caltrain waiver. There has been no political decision on the future of rail freight service for the Port of SF.
Also, Caltrain’s 22nd St station presents a real throughput issue for track sharing, though I believe it’s a manageable one.
HSRforCali Reply:
June 9th, 2010 at 6:58 am
It seems to me that they should build for demand needed through 2030. Then the profits made over the years can be spent on adding capacity. It’s a bad idea to build for capacity in 100 years; when the trains start running, critics will scream boondoggle when they see empty tracks.
adirondacker12800 Reply:
June 9th, 2010 at 8:26 am
It’s very difficult and expensive to build around a busy railroad.