HSR and High Schools Are Compatible
A few weeks back I told the story of my high school in Orange County, which was in the path of the Interstate 5 widening project in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The freeway was widened and a large concrete structure, complete with soundwalls, was erected right next to the campus, which lost a significant piece of its land to the freeway, which now comes within a hundred feet of classrooms where I spent four years of my life.
As I said in that post, it wasn’t a problem. Hell, it was hardly noticeable. It didn’t affect my education one bit.
So when people complained about the effects of HSR on Burlingame or Palo Alto High Schools, I was not at all receptive, especially since those schools are already next to an existing rail corridor. The schools and their students would actually be made safer by a fully grade-separated railroad, as parents of students near Gunn High School in Palo Alto are all too aware of the dangers of the current situation.
Nor am I receptive to similar concerns expressed about Bakersfield High School. In a recent Bakersfield Californian column, Robert Price claims that HSR “could be the end of BHS as we know it”:
But established pieces of the city will have to go in order to clear a path — and one of the pieces HSR planners have in mind, if the “blue line” option endorsed by the Bakersfield Planning Commission is ultimately selected, will upset many. The “blue line” will take California’s bullet train right through the north side of the 117-year-old Bakersfield High School campus, taking out the Industrial Arts building and coming within 100 feet of historic Harvey Auditorium. How a school is supposed to function literally in the shadow of such a colossus defies credulity. In fact, for a school that already has the fewest acres of the city’s 15 comprehensive high schools, it may prove impossible.
Let me get this straight: An overhead structure makes it hard for students learn?! Is he serious? Again, I point to Tustin High School, which functions perfectly fine in the shadow of the 12-lane colossus that is Interstate 5. In fact, the school was named a “California Distinguished School” during my tenure there in the mid-1990s, while we were learning in the shadow of the freeway.
Further, as with Tustin, Burlingame, Palo Alto, and Gunn High Schools, it’s not like an entirely new corridor would be built next to Bakersfield High. BHS already exists next to a railyard in downtown Bakersfield:
I don’t know how long BHS has been coexisting with the railyard; I’m going to guess it’s at least 75 years. But that reality appears to have been tossed out the window by some in Bakersfield, including Kern High School District Superintendent Don Carter, quoted in Price’s column as saying the following:
“The state does not allow schools to be built near freeways, near airports,” he said. “So it raises the question: If you can’t build a school near a transportation corridor, why can you build a transportation corridor near a school?”
Well, Don, the transportation corridor already exists next to the school. The corridor is merely being upgraded and as a result train noise may actually be reduced.
The other claim being made by those who posit a false choice between HSR and BHS is that historic buildings would be demolished. Again from Price’s column:
The kids found evidence that both Industrial Technology buildings were designed by preeminent regional architect Charles Biggar, who also designed both wings of similarly endangered Spindt Hall (1924 and 1938), iconic Griffith Stadium (1923) and the initial design of the Harvey, completed after his death in 1946. (Biggar also designed Bakersfield Fire Station 1, The Californian building and the Haberfelde.)
So? Not every old building has to be preserved. And it would be simply foolish to let one or two old buildings stand in the way of HSR’s completion – especially when one possible mitigation measure might be to simply put the Industrial Technology buildings on blocks and move them to another part of the campus. (I don’t know how feasible that is, since I’ve never been to the campus; perhaps it’s an impossibility.)
Here again we see the fundamental conflict in California – not between right and left, not between past and future, not between old and young, but between those who believe the status quo is just fine and should never be changed, and those who realize that the status quo has failed and that change is inevitable and necessary.
There are many ways for BHS and HSR to coexist. Just as BHS has thrived for decades next to the existing transportation corridor, there are certainly many ways for it to thrive for the decades to come next to a newer version of that same transportation corridor. It’s too bad that some people seem to think it’s either HSR or BHS, or that HSR is something we can just push aside because it might be inconvenient.
The real inconvenience is our dependence on oil, which is destroying our economy and our standard of living. Bakersfield’s children will benefit immensely from HSR, just as they will from an education at BHS. Let’s make sure both serve the needs of our future, instead of starving funds and blocking improvements to both to satisfy the whims of some people here in the present.

The columnist also says, “The 220 mph trains . . . will dominate the city landscape. More to the point, the rail system’s five-story, 50-foot-wide viaduct could become the single most distinctive feature of the city’s urban profile”
Really? What about CA-99? CA-58? UP and BNSF’s yards, the airport?
HSR will dominate the future Bakersfield all right, but in terms of it’s mobility and livibility.
I got an F because of this big freeway!
Haha.
Spokker Reply:
May 16th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Look at that thing, though. It’s like 12 lanes wide, plus the shoulder for the carpool lane, plus the shoulder for the regular lanes, plus the on-ramps. Mama mia.
Robert Cruickshank Reply:
May 16th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
The horror!
Really, I don’t know how I survived it.
You can’t be in the shadow of something if it’s to the north of you. There will be no shadows cast on the school. PURE hyperbole.
Dennis Lytton Reply:
May 16th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Excellent point.
Most Americans would fail the basic land navigation test, “If the building is to your north, what season of the year, if any, will the shadow fall upon you.”
BruceMcF Reply:
May 16th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Winter. Specifically, Jan 1 2012 when California falls down into the Southern Hemisphere.
CACondor Reply:
May 17th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Um, wrong.
You may be thinking of mid-day, and for that, I agree. But, when the sun rises and sets on the summer solstice, the (long) shadow will fall angled towards the south. It will be that way for an hour or so after sunrise and before sunset.
Go out tonight at sunset, and find due west, and watch where the sun sinks. Note where the shadows lie. Do the same at sunrise. In San Francisco, sunset is 8:14PM, and sunrise is 5:57AM tomorrow.
Peter Reply:
May 17th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Oh, for Pete’s sake…
If you want to be hypertechnical, then you tell me how far south the shadows will fall and I’ll tell you that they won’t even touch the school. Is that acceptable?
Bianca Reply:
May 17th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Technically correct, but still a red herring. In the summertime, school isn’t in session. This year, the last day of school at BHS is June 3. On June 3, the sun will rise in Bakersfield at 5:42 am and set at 8:07 pm.
Saying BHS will be in the shadow of HSR is just spreading FUD.
adirondacker12800 Reply:
May 17th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
School is only in session from 8-ish in the morning to 3-ish in the afternoon. I’m sure the football team big manly players that they are, can cope with practicing near the big scary shadows. Baseball team and even the girl’s lacrosse team too.
Bakersfield needs all the shade it can get.
AndyDuncan Reply:
May 17th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Just ask those High Schoolers if they are for or against something that can get them to SF or LA in under two hours. I’m guessing the overwhelming sentiment will be that they want to get the f*ck out of dodge.
Won’t someone think of the children?
Is that Price fellow who wrote the editorial in “that difficult in-between age?”
Wasn’t that the way adults used to describe teenagers?
Wonder what he and some others would think if they saw some of the things we talk about here. Who wants to tell him?
A brand new high school can be built for far less than any sort of tunnel ect ect that certain types in PA/burlingame want. High schools all over the US are near major railroads and freeways and there just fine,,somehow kids in Cali are ultra-sensitve?? No it wont bother them at all.
When a city the likes of Bakersfield (seen the area around downtown there? it’s not exactly tony, to say the least) starts making noise with dubious aesthetic issues (“living in the shadow of”), then you know things are getting ridiculous.
swing hanger Reply:
May 16th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
In addition, the existing nearby railyard is significantly by order of magnitude more dangerous to the health of students (oil residue from diesel locomotives, diesel exhaust emissions, spilled toxic waste like benzine, etc.) than any “damage” to the aesthetic sensibilities of Bakersfieldans caused by any HSR infrastructure- in fact HSR is one of the cleanest forms of transport around, bar walking or cycling. In fact, people should welcome a well-designed elevated structure (or better an earth berm) to provide a physical barrier between the rail yards and the school. And another suggestion, why don’t school officials concerned with adjacent HSR lines take a visit to Tokyo’s Municipal Yukigaya High School, whose grounds are adjacent to both the Tokaido Shinkansen and a busy commmuter line- earning it the nickname “Shinkansen High School”. Yukigaya High School is famous for a champion cheeleading squad as well as baseball team. Apparently being located next to a busy HSR line doesn’t affect student performance…
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=35.585891,139.689655&spn=0.003067,0.004801&t=h&z=18
Grant Reply:
May 18th, 2010 at 9:34 am
I am a student at BHS. There is one outstanding detriment in my mind that the blue line will have on our school; it is already a small campus, and this train would minimize its size and capability of educating students. I almost think the school would have to be completely relocated, and the possibility has been discussed here. The health of students is a non-existent issue, as well as downtowns beauty. In any case students, faculty, alumni and more are all preparing to show up june 9th to shoot down the blue line plan, so BAM you all are gona loose.
Actully the article said the structure looked breathtaking…only some in certain ‘towns” here would call it “horror” and it scary!!! notice the commenter…from here and a visitor to this board…
What’s the big deal? Amtrak’s San Joaquin train passes right by BHS every day, several times a day, on its way into the station.
I’ve seen the building that they are talking about, and it is nothing special. I’m no architectural expert, but the first time I saw it, I thought it was part of the giant BNSF rail yardage that goes behind the school.
If it was that important, they would take better care of it.
YesonHSR Reply:
May 18th, 2010 at 5:05 am
Yes and right next to the railyard..it does look like part of the railroad propery if thats what I saw…Once again for the price of tunneling or some other expensive desgin CAHSRA can build a brand new high school down the block..and looking at that school its very old
“The state does not allow schools to be built near freeways, near airports,”
This quote, from Superintendent Don Carter, is patently false.
I present you with Los Angeles’s new downtown high school, price tag 229 million
http://www.laschools.org/project-status/one-project?project_number=55.98037
The brand-new arts-focused school will be right next to the Santa Ana Freeway and 1 block from the towering 110/101 interchange:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=450%20N.%20Grand%20Ave.,%20Los%20Angeles,%20CA%2090012
The freeway is something of an impact, considering the constant noise. High speed trains thru Bakersfield will be quieter than a freeway, and the noise will only happen once every few minutes, rathern than continually. In fact, the horns of the San Joaquin trains (or Caltrain) and freight trains today are much louder, and the grade crossings are the real danger.
My last trip on the San Joaquin was delayed 2 hours after a car tried to run the red light, and then got stuck behind the crossing gate that descended. We didn’t notice the impact, on the train, but the car was smashed beyond recognition, even though we were only traveling about 40 mph at the time, according to the conductor. The cities on the route will benefit greatly by leveraging the HSR project to get grade separations for passenger (and hopefully freight) rail.
Peter Reply:
May 17th, 2010 at 11:10 am
Schools are also built next to airports. That’s actually one of the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association’s pet peeves. That trend is a major threat to general aviation airports.
mike Reply:
May 17th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
General aviation airports (and even commercial airports) are a major threat to local government finances.
Peter Reply:
May 17th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
So, the only value of the land to a city is for tax purposes? No value in terms of providing large emergency staging areas (Reid-Hillview airport in San Jose was the launch point for a large-scale airlift into Watsonville after the Loma Prieta earthquake in 1989)? No value in terms of keeping traffic lower at other fields in the area by serving as a relief? No value in terms of being a habitat for endangered species (look up Burrowing Owls)?
mike Reply:
May 17th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
The value of those things is trivial in comparison to alternative uses (and I am hard-pressed to believe that airports are a significant source of wildlife habitat). The land (and its underlying value) belong to the taxpayers. Right now it is being used by a trivially small minority, rent-free.
At least with HSR, we know exactly what we’re paying for it. With aviation, the huge subsidies are all hidden away.
Peter Reply:
May 18th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Well, I guess we can agree to disagree on the value of airports.
(This was in central Fresno: http://www.cbs47.tv/news/local/story/Two-Children-Injured-in-Train-vs-Car-Accident/vLEk6e-xLk6h5AfECnNPaA.cspx )
Robert Cruickshank Reply:
May 17th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Because HSR will be fully grade-separated, it won’t pose those threats to the community. And in places like the Peninsula, the entire corridor could be made quite safe if HSR and Caltrain projects are combined and fully grade separated.
O/T: CHSRA chairman Curt Pringle requests audit by California Inspector General Laura Chick in response to recent criticial report by California State Auditor Elaine Howle.
http://voiceofoc.org/blogs/article_7be638d6-6084-11df-962b-001cc4c03286.html
O/T: Manteca Bulletin reports on possible alignment of HSR overlay via CA-120 bypass south of the city. MAP of UPRR and BNSF ROWs, ACE route etc.
Whether the HSR overlay can leverage UPRR and/or BNSF assets in some way depends on the as-yet uncertain nature of the service (true high speed vs. rapid rail) and rolling stock (non-compliant vs. FRA-compliant) plus other factors. Note that AB3034 prioritizes prop 1A funds for the HSR starter line between SF and Anaheim, which effectively means the overlay idea is presently an unfunded paper tiger. That would change if the preferred alignment via Pacheco proves infeasible and CHSRA is forced to switch the starter line route to Altamont after all. However, that is a very remote possibility at the present time.
Samsonian Reply:
May 17th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Have you looked the CHSRA’s initial alternatives for Altamont and Merced-Sacramento?
I’m pleasantly surprised with them overall. My preferences for most of the alignments tend to favor the UPRR corridors, as they seem to be the best for serving these communities.
Some concerns include how to do a high speed wye in Lathrop-Manteca area, while still having stations there; opposition from some government entities like Pleasanton (apparently their city leaders don’t care about ACE like PA/MP/Ath with CalTrain), VTA asking for it to terminate at Fremont or Union City BART (still blatantly trying to sabotage Altamont rail for their stupid illogical BART fetish); environmental clearance issues; whether they really will design to True HSR standards (they mentioned potentially dropping 4-track stations, which would preclude express overtakes); UPRR cooperation (or lack thereof); and of course money (or lack thereof).
Only time will tell if they are really committed to this.
I once attended College of San Mateo (Coyote Point Campus) at a time when the Boeing 707 was first going into service. I’ll always remember the high pitched whine as one went overhead. But the DC7 and the Super-Connie were worse. Each time one took off with all 72 cylinders straining to the max, the whole building would shake. Our instructor would stop talking until the shaking stopped, and then resume the lecture. It was just a minor inconvenience and I don’t think our education suffered. But that was then, and this is now.
jimsf Reply:
May 18th, 2010 at 12:48 am
tell me about it. these people are being ridiculous. We grew up on an airforce base that was home to fleets of very active – during the vietnam war- b52 bombers, SR71 Blackbird, and C5s, it was just part of daily life, I remember the teacher saying, “hold on, I’m not going to to try compete with the US air force” pause, then he’d resume…
and playgrounds were built on concrete and everything had jagged edges and if you got hurt at school your parents didn’t sue the school, they smacked you in the head for bein’ stupid. lol
Peter Reply:
May 19th, 2010 at 10:07 am
In Berlin in the early 1990′s we used to stop lessons and go to the window to watch the U.S. Army tank convoys rumble past our classrooms. Our education was excellent, nonetheless.