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	<title>Comments on: Who Will Get the HSR Stimulus Funds?</title>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/02/who-will-get-the-hsr-stimulus-funds-2/comment-page-1/#comment-69756</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spain is not going to cut back on AVE at *all*.  Why?  Because they have two types of projects:
(1) projects they&#039;ve already started building
(2) projects which link up disconnected hunks of already-built or in-progress AVE lines.

They&#039;re more than a little stuck: the only rational thing to do is to finish all the planned projects -- anything else would be extremely wasteful, and unlike in the US, Spain&#039;s government isn&#039;t totally stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spain is not going to cut back on AVE at *all*.  Why?  Because they have two types of projects:<br />
(1) projects they&#8217;ve already started building<br />
(2) projects which link up disconnected hunks of already-built or in-progress AVE lines.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re more than a little stuck: the only rational thing to do is to finish all the planned projects &#8212; anything else would be extremely wasteful, and unlike in the US, Spain&#8217;s government isn&#8217;t totally stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/02/who-will-get-the-hsr-stimulus-funds-2/comment-page-1/#comment-69754</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathanael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please spend most of the money on the Central Valley.
(1) They actually want it.
(2) It will actually be high speed.
(3) It&#039;s genuinely ready to go.
(4) It will create the necessary push to connect it to one or the other end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please spend most of the money on the Central Valley.<br />
(1) They actually want it.<br />
(2) It will actually be high speed.<br />
(3) It&#8217;s genuinely ready to go.<br />
(4) It will create the necessary push to connect it to one or the other end.</p>
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		<title>By: adirondacker12800</title>
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		<dc:creator>adirondacker12800</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And they would lose all the historic ambiance of having a train in suburbs that grew up around the railroad....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And they would lose all the historic ambiance of having a train in suburbs that grew up around the railroad&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: BruceMcF</title>
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		<dc:creator>BruceMcF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>synonymouse, you sound like there is static on the line between you and your sources of information. 

Part of the issue with entrance and egress gradiants is that you have to go &lt;i&gt;further&lt;/i&gt; in vertical distance when going down then when going up, so a tunnel normally is longer than an elevated structure when both are clearing a road that is crossing at grade.

As others have already pointed out, the claim that there are no construction standard suitable for berms built in seismically active areas is simply a bold-faced lie. Whether its a lie because you are misleading or because you have been misled - that&#039;s really beside the point, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>synonymouse, you sound like there is static on the line between you and your sources of information. </p>
<p>Part of the issue with entrance and egress gradiants is that you have to go <i>further</i> in vertical distance when going down then when going up, so a tunnel normally is longer than an elevated structure when both are clearing a road that is crossing at grade.</p>
<p>As others have already pointed out, the claim that there are no construction standard suitable for berms built in seismically active areas is simply a bold-faced lie. Whether its a lie because you are misleading or because you have been misled &#8211; that&#8217;s really beside the point, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: synonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>synonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the new TBT will go ahead.  But if there is no box included now there will never be a station constructed later.    Just too expensive and too much disruption.  Kopp and BART know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the new TBT will go ahead.  But if there is no box included now there will never be a station constructed later.    Just too expensive and too much disruption.  Kopp and BART know that.</p>
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		<title>By: spokker</title>
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		<dc:creator>spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Force an elevated line through Disneyland? What?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Force an elevated line through Disneyland? What?</p>
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		<title>By: Samsonian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samsonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll try to re-read the Alternatives Analysis for LA-Anaheim section when I get the chance.

But I stand by what I said earlier: If there&#039;s no station in Fullerton, we should consider a different ROW. 

I don&#039;t know exactly why CHSRA excluded those alignments, but if the reasons you listed are why, I don&#039;t think they&#039;re good enough.

Wrt ex-Pacific Electric ROW: 

Just because poor people live in neighborhoods around a former rail ROW, doesn&#039;t mean they have an environmental justice claim. I don&#039;t think any eminent domain would be needed against them for that alignment, and a station somewhere along that area would also be possible. And even if Disney was uncooperative, they&#039;re a single, private, corporate landowner, the state could force an elevated line through.

Wrt I-5: 

I don&#039;t think it&#039;d need to be elevated the whole way, just the part in Anaheim. You&#039;re they probably rejected it for cost reasons, but that was before Pringle and Anaheim NIMBYs started demanding a Fullerton-Anaheim tunnel on everyone else&#039;s back. Even if the whole I-5 alignment had to be above grade, aerials are still cheaper than tunnels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll try to re-read the Alternatives Analysis for LA-Anaheim section when I get the chance.</p>
<p>But I stand by what I said earlier: If there&#8217;s no station in Fullerton, we should consider a different ROW. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know exactly why CHSRA excluded those alignments, but if the reasons you listed are why, I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re good enough.</p>
<p>Wrt ex-Pacific Electric ROW: </p>
<p>Just because poor people live in neighborhoods around a former rail ROW, doesn&#8217;t mean they have an environmental justice claim. I don&#8217;t think any eminent domain would be needed against them for that alignment, and a station somewhere along that area would also be possible. And even if Disney was uncooperative, they&#8217;re a single, private, corporate landowner, the state could force an elevated line through.</p>
<p>Wrt I-5: </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;d need to be elevated the whole way, just the part in Anaheim. You&#8217;re they probably rejected it for cost reasons, but that was before Pringle and Anaheim NIMBYs started demanding a Fullerton-Anaheim tunnel on everyone else&#8217;s back. Even if the whole I-5 alignment had to be above grade, aerials are still cheaper than tunnels.</p>
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		<title>By: jimsf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimsf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s correct. In fact doesn&#039;t the teardown start this year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s correct. In fact doesn&#8217;t the teardown start this year?</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The billion dollar bus terminal is being build with or without the trainbox, regardless of what Kopp and crew have to say about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The billion dollar bus terminal is being build with or without the trainbox, regardless of what Kopp and crew have to say about it.</p>
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		<title>By: synonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>synonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No TBT box, no TBT train station.  SF politicos recognize this reality.  Remember Kopp and BART have opposed this tunnel project for 2 decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No TBT box, no TBT train station.  SF politicos recognize this reality.  Remember Kopp and BART have opposed this tunnel project for 2 decades.</p>
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