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	<title>Comments on: Britain&#8217;s HSR Plans Take Shape</title>
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		<title>By: spokker</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/02/britains-hsr-plans-take-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-70762</link>
		<dc:creator>spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 04:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just a joke, asshole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just a joke, asshole.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew F.</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/02/britains-hsr-plans-take-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-70761</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Race-based attacks? Nice. You just keep upping the class meter around here. 

I&#039;ve ridden the line before (to Pasadena), and I agree that there&#039;s a lot to like about it. 

But running tracks down the center of freeways, as they do from Old Pass to Sierra Madre, just isn&#039;t going to bring in the riders. Psychologically, the time you spend waiting on the platform - say, 10 minutes - is stretched subjectively into &quot;a long time&quot; because of the constant rush of fast-moving cars right in front of you. Isolating the station thousands of feet from the nearest possible destination doesn&#039;t help any, either. It basically turns light rail into a park-n-ride - and maybe that&#039;s OK, maybe that&#039;s the only way to alleviate freeway congestion. But it&#039;s a short-term fix to a long-term problem of an auto-centric culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Race-based attacks? Nice. You just keep upping the class meter around here. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve ridden the line before (to Pasadena), and I agree that there&#8217;s a lot to like about it. </p>
<p>But running tracks down the center of freeways, as they do from Old Pass to Sierra Madre, just isn&#8217;t going to bring in the riders. Psychologically, the time you spend waiting on the platform &#8211; say, 10 minutes &#8211; is stretched subjectively into &#8220;a long time&#8221; because of the constant rush of fast-moving cars right in front of you. Isolating the station thousands of feet from the nearest possible destination doesn&#8217;t help any, either. It basically turns light rail into a park-n-ride &#8211; and maybe that&#8217;s OK, maybe that&#8217;s the only way to alleviate freeway congestion. But it&#8217;s a short-term fix to a long-term problem of an auto-centric culture.</p>
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		<title>By: adirondacker12800</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/02/britains-hsr-plans-take-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-70760</link>
		<dc:creator>adirondacker12800</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would the express train, whether it&#039;s painted red and white or blue and gold, leave the express track?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would the express train, whether it&#8217;s painted red and white or blue and gold, leave the express track?</p>
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		<title>By: spokker</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/02/britains-hsr-plans-take-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-70759</link>
		<dc:creator>spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t start talking shit about the Gold Line now. That line rules. It&#039;s just that white people won&#039;t ride it until gas is 12 bucks a gallon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t start talking shit about the Gold Line now. That line rules. It&#8217;s just that white people won&#8217;t ride it until gas is 12 bucks a gallon.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew F.</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/02/britains-hsr-plans-take-shape/comment-page-1/#comment-70758</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 02:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The error was in the report about the model, not in the model itself. Is that all you&#039;ve worked yourself into a frenzy over? 

I bring up the gold line because I&#039;ve seen your name (or, I&#039;m not sure, maybe it&#039;s your father&#039;s name) associated with the planning of the project.... and I think it&#039;s ironic that someone who helped design ridership estimates for a project where ridership has come in at about a third what was projected is casting aspersions on some else&#039;s ridership estimates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The error was in the report about the model, not in the model itself. Is that all you&#8217;ve worked yourself into a frenzy over? </p>
<p>I bring up the gold line because I&#8217;ve seen your name (or, I&#8217;m not sure, maybe it&#8217;s your father&#8217;s name) associated with the planning of the project&#8230;. and I think it&#8217;s ironic that someone who helped design ridership estimates for a project where ridership has come in at about a third what was projected is casting aspersions on some else&#8217;s ridership estimates.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the principle of the argument makes sense: If you make a big show of selecting the best route based on a model that was designed to tell you the best route is the one you wanted in the first place, it would be intellectually dishonest, and can be abused to justify an uneconomical plan. To quote XKCD, &quot;You don&#039;t use science to show that you&#039;re right, you use science to become right.&quot; 

I just don&#039;t see any evidence that this is in fact what happened. And our friend Bob certainly hasn&#039;t offered any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the principle of the argument makes sense: If you make a big show of selecting the best route based on a model that was designed to tell you the best route is the one you wanted in the first place, it would be intellectually dishonest, and can be abused to justify an uneconomical plan. To quote XKCD, &#8220;You don&#8217;t use science to show that you&#8217;re right, you use science to become right.&#8221; </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t see any evidence that this is in fact what happened. And our friend Bob certainly hasn&#8217;t offered any.</p>
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		<title>By: BruceMcF</title>
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		<dc:creator>BruceMcF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are not hitting the &quot;reply&quot; link below the text that you are replying to ... its impossible to tell precisely who you have analogized to Stalin, a dictator of a totalitarian with near absolute power at his height who was responsible for the deaths of millions.

Since there is nobody on this site who has the power to cause the deaths of millions, irrespective of whether they would if given the power, guessing who you are replying to is a bit difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are not hitting the &#8220;reply&#8221; link below the text that you are replying to &#8230; its impossible to tell precisely who you have analogized to Stalin, a dictator of a totalitarian with near absolute power at his height who was responsible for the deaths of millions.</p>
<p>Since there is nobody on this site who has the power to cause the deaths of millions, irrespective of whether they would if given the power, guessing who you are replying to is a bit difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: BruceMcF</title>
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		<dc:creator>BruceMcF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohio successfully rolled the Ohio HSR Commission together with two other DoT ongoing programs to form the Ohio Rail Development Commission.

I&#039;ve not seen any special brilliance in the handling of issues by the CHSRA to suggest they need to be guaranteed their independence to continue delivering their brilliant handling of issues.

Indeed, trying to make the incompetent design of the Transbay Basement Train Station into an issue of the number of platforms seems in retrospect to have been as big a blunder as I argued at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohio successfully rolled the Ohio HSR Commission together with two other DoT ongoing programs to form the Ohio Rail Development Commission.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not seen any special brilliance in the handling of issues by the CHSRA to suggest they need to be guaranteed their independence to continue delivering their brilliant handling of issues.</p>
<p>Indeed, trying to make the incompetent design of the Transbay Basement Train Station into an issue of the number of platforms seems in retrospect to have been as big a blunder as I argued at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: jimsf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimsf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and finally, you can be sure that in addition to any existing laws and goals the state may have,  they  will develop and maintain a firm hand, as firm as hand a they can legally place, on any private operator when it comes to day to day operations and goals.   Any prospective or eventual operator will have to have, build, or maintain a good working relationship with Sacramento and all the players involved.  They&#039;ll need to know how not only to make nice to get the contract,  but continue to make nice and agreeable for the long run if they want to keep it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and finally, you can be sure that in addition to any existing laws and goals the state may have,  they  will develop and maintain a firm hand, as firm as hand a they can legally place, on any private operator when it comes to day to day operations and goals.   Any prospective or eventual operator will have to have, build, or maintain a good working relationship with Sacramento and all the players involved.  They&#8217;ll need to know how not only to make nice to get the contract,  but continue to make nice and agreeable for the long run if they want to keep it.</p>
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		<title>By: jimsf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimsf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any operator of hsr in cali will also be subject to all the existing state laws which pertain to transportation as well.  The state, while not on operator, still has a hand in setting fare structures,  allowable non allowable travel,  things like that.  They have authority over   which operator can offer what type of travel in any particular jurisdiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any operator of hsr in cali will also be subject to all the existing state laws which pertain to transportation as well.  The state, while not on operator, still has a hand in setting fare structures,  allowable non allowable travel,  things like that.  They have authority over   which operator can offer what type of travel in any particular jurisdiction.</p>
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