Comments on: Updates on SoCal to Vegas HSR http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/updates-on-socal-to-vegas-hsr/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=updates-on-socal-to-vegas-hsr California High Speed Rail support blog, spreading news and info about the high speed trains project approved by California voters in November 2008. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:34:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Miguel http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/updates-on-socal-to-vegas-hsr/comment-page-1/#comment-67422 Miguel Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:44:19 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2718#comment-67422 Good point. the hsr trains, vegas trains, & any other agency can use the rails. ha! transit options are my biggest concern. we need options.it may not lead anywhere now, but it will. Good point. the hsr trains, vegas trains, & any other agency can use the rails.
ha! transit options are my biggest concern. we need options.it may not lead anywhere now, but it will.

]]> By: Miguel http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/updates-on-socal-to-vegas-hsr/comment-page-1/#comment-67391 Miguel Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:36:21 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2718#comment-67391 the point is to build the starter line which will have so many options there after (direct san bernardino, san diego, etc) the web side describes the Victorville station as a huge parking space (valet situation) where the hotel experience starts the moment you pull up. if I had a choice between the harsh drive over (way dangerous, a drag, and no drinking wtf! :}) and back (possibly hung over), or an alternative. . . I'd opt for the alternative, & I know I'm not alone on that one. I'd drive to victorville from simi valley for that & probably go more often. I read somewhere the price was about 200$ per ticket (dont quote i'm not sure) a lot most would say right? well a 200$ ticket compared the risks of driving one of which is life (something I find priceless) is way worth it. The people that would never ride this need to think of it this way: OTHER people will take this new rail line, and it'll get those people off the road, that way you can drive in less traffic. Its a win, win I think you save time & gas! public and private transit should worth with each other not against. Its like rival high schools. . . really. . . sad. this is the way any transit project should be seen. I think its ridiculous that people say (i'm paying for it but I don't ride it) well um. . . ., think outside of your personal bubble for like 2.45 seconds here. . . How how can this INDIRECTLY affect you (I know its hard for the average MTV, Reality show loving American) but seriously though be real. have you guys ever seen someone make a mistake but their ego is sky high (or interstate long) & they like don't want to admit they're wrong? They then, after messing up, keep doing whatever it is they're doing in hopes that eventually they're right and the situation changes but instead they make more of a fool of themselves every second that goes by? haha yea, we've all seen that guy (and if you haven't, your that guy) well my fellow Americans, our country is "that guy" in terms of transportation; we should fix that. . . . If you don't get it, think about it on your 3 hour commute from work tomorrow ;) Make the right choice guys, lets build it. I agree with "no compromises" Miguel Ojeda Simi Valley, Ca miguelsexyiphone@gmail.com the point is to build the starter line which will have so many options there after (direct san bernardino, san diego, etc)
the web side describes the Victorville station as a huge parking space (valet situation)
where the hotel experience starts the moment you pull up.
if I had a choice between the harsh drive over (way dangerous, a drag, and no drinking wtf! :})
and back (possibly hung over), or an alternative. . . I’d opt for the alternative, & I know I’m not alone on that one.
I’d drive to victorville from simi valley for that & probably go more often. I read somewhere the price was about 200$ per ticket (dont quote i’m not sure) a lot most would say right? well a 200$ ticket compared the risks of driving one of which is life (something I find priceless) is way worth it.
The people that would never ride this need to think of it this way: OTHER people will take this new rail line, and it’ll get those people off the road, that way you can drive in less traffic. Its a win, win I think you save time & gas! public and private transit should worth with each other not against. Its like rival high schools. . . really. . . sad.

this is the way any transit project should be seen. I think its ridiculous that people say (i’m paying for it but I don’t ride it) well um. . . ., think outside of your personal bubble for like 2.45 seconds here. . . How how can this INDIRECTLY affect you (I know its hard for the average MTV, Reality show loving American) but seriously though be real.

have you guys ever seen someone make a mistake but their ego is sky high (or interstate long) & they like don’t want to admit they’re wrong? They then, after messing up, keep doing whatever it is they’re doing in hopes that eventually they’re right and the situation changes but instead they make more of a fool of themselves every second that goes by? haha yea, we’ve all seen that guy (and if you haven’t, your that guy) well my fellow Americans, our country is “that guy” in terms of transportation; we should fix that. . . .
If you don’t get it, think about it on your 3 hour commute from work tomorrow ;)

Make the right choice guys, lets build it. I agree with “no compromises”

Miguel Ojeda
Simi Valley, Ca
miguelsexyiphone@gmail.com

]]> By: dejv http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/updates-on-socal-to-vegas-hsr/comment-page-1/#comment-67345 dejv Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:39:53 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2718#comment-67345 Those double-baseplate systems and Vanguard are expensive. The're suitable only in places where the noise has nowhere to dissipate and it cannot be deflected to where it wouln't harm anything - for example in tunnels. For at grade or elevated tracks are sufficient simpler systems. BART has already <a href="http://www.pandrol.com/images/uploads/case_studies/TR0304_p8-9.pdf" rel="nofollow">discovered</a> one of such fastenings - you may ask its officials why they didn't adopt it widely. And of course why they don't use <a href="http://cvrr.ucsd.edu/imgallery/jr/shinkansen1.jpg" rel="nofollow">sound-proof walls</a> like Japanese do. Those double-baseplate systems and Vanguard are expensive. The’re suitable only in places where the noise has nowhere to dissipate and it cannot be deflected to where it wouln’t harm anything – for example in tunnels. For at grade or elevated tracks are sufficient simpler systems. BART has already discovered one of such fastenings – you may ask its officials why they didn’t adopt it widely. And of course why they don’t use sound-proof walls like Japanese do.

]]> By: Peter http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/updates-on-socal-to-vegas-hsr/comment-page-1/#comment-67344 Peter Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:04:33 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2718#comment-67344 And Desert Xpress would not have any of those problems, as they would be operating on their own ROW. They will be especially successful if they link up to CAHSR at Palmdale. And Desert Xpress would not have any of those problems, as they would be operating on their own ROW. They will be especially successful if they link up to CAHSR at Palmdale.

]]> By: Peter http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/updates-on-socal-to-vegas-hsr/comment-page-1/#comment-67343 Peter Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:02:55 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2718#comment-67343 Vegas doesn't pay for the train. Amtrak stopped running Desert Wind and replaced it with bus service because of budget cuts. Also, if I recall correctly, UPRR was making life difficult for Amtrak on that route (among many others) and trains were being delayed dramatically. This is because they had to share tracks with freight. I'm guessing that that route is also single-tracked, which would lead to even greater capacity problems and delays. Vegas doesn’t pay for the train.

Amtrak stopped running Desert Wind and replaced it with bus service because of budget cuts. Also, if I recall correctly, UPRR was making life difficult for Amtrak on that route (among many others) and trains were being delayed dramatically. This is because they had to share tracks with freight. I’m guessing that that route is also single-tracked, which would lead to even greater capacity problems and delays.

]]> By: synonymouse http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/updates-on-socal-to-vegas-hsr/comment-page-1/#comment-67342 synonymouse Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:36:25 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2718#comment-67342 Question: if Vegas cannot afford a simple Amtrak train how can it afford to build and operate the Desert Xpress? Question: if Vegas cannot afford a simple Amtrak train how can it afford to build and operate the Desert Xpress?

]]> By: jimsf http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/updates-on-socal-to-vegas-hsr/comment-page-1/#comment-67325 jimsf Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:22:31 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2718#comment-67325 LA red line seems to have a different type of tunnel lining that is less noisy than the the bart tunnels. LA red line seems to have a different type of tunnel lining that is less noisy than the the bart tunnels.

]]> By: synonymouse http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/updates-on-socal-to-vegas-hsr/comment-page-1/#comment-67323 synonymouse Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:52:41 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2718#comment-67323 BART is noisy because it was designed to be that way by Bechtel. They refuse to use resilient wheels because they worry they are not safe. BART has constructed many extremely expensive extensions in recent years and it has declined to use the fasteners and dampeners you recommend. You would have to ask BART why, but I suspect their engineers deem them unsafe as well. The innovations you endorse probably require a higher level of attention and maintenance than BART wants or feels that it can afford. AFAIK BART uses a flat profile rather than a tapered wheel. It could be that BART believes that more resiliency could produce more out of gauge problems and derailments. BART has a totally cavalier attitude toward noise, a tack which the hsr crowd seems to taking up as well. BART is noisy because it was designed to be that way by Bechtel. They refuse to use resilient wheels because they worry they are not safe. BART has constructed many extremely expensive extensions in recent years and it has declined to use the fasteners and dampeners you recommend. You would have to ask BART why, but I suspect their engineers deem them unsafe as well. The innovations you endorse probably require a higher level of attention and maintenance than BART wants or feels that it can afford. AFAIK BART uses a flat profile rather than a tapered wheel. It could be that BART believes that more resiliency could produce more out of gauge problems and derailments.

BART has a totally cavalier attitude toward noise, a tack which the hsr crowd seems to taking up as well.

]]> By: Peter http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/updates-on-socal-to-vegas-hsr/comment-page-1/#comment-67318 Peter Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:03:30 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2718#comment-67318 Yes, they will be implementing conventional steel/steel tracks for Desert Xpress. Desert Xpress did not plan for CAHSR to move forward. Hopefully they will in fact implement compatible (and integrated) systems. Yes, they will be implementing conventional steel/steel tracks for Desert Xpress. Desert Xpress did not plan for CAHSR to move forward. Hopefully they will in fact implement compatible (and integrated) systems.

]]> By: Emma http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/updates-on-socal-to-vegas-hsr/comment-page-1/#comment-67314 Emma Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:52:21 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2718#comment-67314 Oh no. Please don't try Maglev. We don't even have a full catenary system and politicians are already proposing maglev? It will be too expensive. Coming from North-Rhine Westphalia, Germany I know that it cannot beat conventional rail. We tried it with the Metrorapid but it failed and in the end we distributed the money to upgrade the current local railways: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/9/92/Metrorapid01.jpg Did they even consider to just copy the technology of California High Speed Rail and then apply it to their Las Vegas-SoCal track? That would save a lot of research = money. Oh no. Please don’t try Maglev. We don’t even have a full catenary system and politicians are already proposing maglev? It will be too expensive. Coming from North-Rhine Westphalia, Germany I know that it cannot beat conventional rail. We tried it with the Metrorapid but it failed and in the end we distributed the money to upgrade the current local railways:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/9/92/Metrorapid01.jpg

Did they even consider to just copy the technology of California High Speed Rail and then apply it to their Las Vegas-SoCal track? That would save a lot of research = money.

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