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	<title>Comments on: Thursday Is HSR Stimulus Day</title>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/thursday-is-hsr-stimulus-day/comment-page-1/#comment-68025</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is hilarious, john.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is hilarious, john.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://burritojustice.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/bart-plans-1957.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This one is my personal fave.&lt;/a&gt; BART Takes over the world!  It was drawn on a cocktail napkin in 1957 so it must be true.  Actually if you look at the phasing, BART to San Jose might be right on schedule...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://burritojustice.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/bart-plans-1957.jpg" rel="nofollow">This one is my personal fave.</a> BART Takes over the world!  It was drawn on a cocktail napkin in 1957 so it must be true.  Actually if you look at the phasing, BART to San Jose might be right on schedule&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/thursday-is-hsr-stimulus-day/comment-page-1/#comment-68019</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took BART 20 years to even start building the Warm Springs Extension. Nothing about BART is &quot;fast.&quot;

Once again, you have NO idea what you&#039;re talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took BART 20 years to even start building the Warm Springs Extension. Nothing about BART is &#8220;fast.&#8221;</p>
<p>Once again, you have NO idea what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: synonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>synonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The speed with which BART has moved on the San Jose extension demonstrates that this is an empire which knows how to expand and quickly when it needs to cement a &quot;fix&quot;.

If the train box is not included with the new TBT construction you can kiss the downtown station goodbye.  The BART alternative would suddenly become a lot more attractive, maybe compelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The speed with which BART has moved on the San Jose extension demonstrates that this is an empire which knows how to expand and quickly when it needs to cement a &#8220;fix&#8221;.</p>
<p>If the train box is not included with the new TBT construction you can kiss the downtown station goodbye.  The BART alternative would suddenly become a lot more attractive, maybe compelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/thursday-is-hsr-stimulus-day/comment-page-1/#comment-68013</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess. I&#039;m not saying the plans were ever all executed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess. I&#8217;m not saying the plans were ever all executed.</p>
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		<title>By: adirondacker12800</title>
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		<dc:creator>adirondacker12800</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same plans that have the trains going over the Golden Gate Bridge into Marin? And connecting San Raphael to Richmond. The ones with the Geary Blvd. subway? ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same plans that have the trains going over the Golden Gate Bridge into Marin? And connecting San Raphael to Richmond. The ones with the Geary Blvd. subway? &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jimsf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimsf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if bart did plan to connect millbrae with santa clara,  it would be 2075 before it would happen because they have other priorities before that.   Its not even on the foreseeable horizon and a second transbay tube would be a priority ( in 2050) would come first.  So if you want to hang around for 60 years, you may see bart down there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if bart did plan to connect millbrae with santa clara,  it would be 2075 before it would happen because they have other priorities before that.   Its not even on the foreseeable horizon and a second transbay tube would be a priority ( in 2050) would come first.  So if you want to hang around for 60 years, you may see bart down there.</p>
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		<title>By: synonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>synonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always preferred an electrified Caltrain on the Peninsula to BART.  Unfortunately at the shotgun marriage of Caltrain to CHSRA somebody in the audience should have stood up and objected.  

What is so unfortunate about this whole fiasco is that most of the so-called nimbys in Palo Alto, etc. actually are sympathetic to rail transport and public transit.  These folks simply don&#039;t want to see their place trashed.  I fail to see what is so hard to understand about this.

Find a politically and environmentally acceptable 4 track solution, not berms or elevateds, or face the prospect of BART filling the vacuum.  I believe that Kopp has already said that it would be much easier to provide a subway with BART.  Doesn&#039;t that tell you something?

One approach, and not that disastrous, would be to pull the hsr from Caltrain and in time relocate to the 101 corridor.  I understand that is anathema to the faithful on this site, but is it really such a problem?  A dedicated, separate ROW has advantages, even with the curves.  Meantime, patrons would transfer from Caltrain to the hsr at San Jose.  If the hsr proves to be as successful as we hope, the money will in good time be found for the 101 alignment.

And of course to increase the chance of success move the tunneling to the Grapevine.  One less than ideal compromise would be to leave the 99 routing intact and pop over to the Grapevine south of Bakersfield.  A west valley bypass line could always be mooted later on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always preferred an electrified Caltrain on the Peninsula to BART.  Unfortunately at the shotgun marriage of Caltrain to CHSRA somebody in the audience should have stood up and objected.  </p>
<p>What is so unfortunate about this whole fiasco is that most of the so-called nimbys in Palo Alto, etc. actually are sympathetic to rail transport and public transit.  These folks simply don&#8217;t want to see their place trashed.  I fail to see what is so hard to understand about this.</p>
<p>Find a politically and environmentally acceptable 4 track solution, not berms or elevateds, or face the prospect of BART filling the vacuum.  I believe that Kopp has already said that it would be much easier to provide a subway with BART.  Doesn&#8217;t that tell you something?</p>
<p>One approach, and not that disastrous, would be to pull the hsr from Caltrain and in time relocate to the 101 corridor.  I understand that is anathema to the faithful on this site, but is it really such a problem?  A dedicated, separate ROW has advantages, even with the curves.  Meantime, patrons would transfer from Caltrain to the hsr at San Jose.  If the hsr proves to be as successful as we hope, the money will in good time be found for the 101 alignment.</p>
<p>And of course to increase the chance of success move the tunneling to the Grapevine.  One less than ideal compromise would be to leave the 99 routing intact and pop over to the Grapevine south of Bakersfield.  A west valley bypass line could always be mooted later on.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But there were plans for a system that evolved into BART.</description>
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		<title>By: adirondacker12800</title>
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		<dc:creator>adirondacker12800</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was no BART in 1956.</description>
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