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		<title>By: TedCrocker</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/is-san-carlos-blighted/comment-page-1/#comment-67533</link>
		<dc:creator>TedCrocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As to aesthetics, why on earth should a major infrastructure project rise or fall based on aesthetics? How does that many any financial or practical sense? I’m all for having good aesthetics on a project, and think that the San Carlos crossing does this well, but do you really believe that rises to the same level as safety, affordability, reliability, job creation, ability to reconnect neighborhoods, address global warming, reduce our dependence on oil, and support sustainable transportation?&quot;

My answer to this is YES!  Aesthetcics set the tone for future development.  Think of a quaint neighborhood full of Revival houses.  Now build a cheap box that maximizes dollars per square foot.  What have you just done to that neighborhood?  What do you think the next person will do when they want to remodel?  They&#039;ll be less likely to build a traditional house because it is harder to justify the extra cost due to the addition of a poor comp.  And so it goes in a downward spiral.  Once you go down that path -corrupting the integrity of the initial continuity of design - you can&#039;t turn it around.  When I designed and built the addition to my house, I put my money where my mouth is and my neighbors are extremely happy I did.  If HSR builds industrial looking elevated structures, it will only invite more of the same.  If they build context sensitive structures it will be an asset and help continue thoughtful design surrounding the tracks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As to aesthetics, why on earth should a major infrastructure project rise or fall based on aesthetics? How does that many any financial or practical sense? I’m all for having good aesthetics on a project, and think that the San Carlos crossing does this well, but do you really believe that rises to the same level as safety, affordability, reliability, job creation, ability to reconnect neighborhoods, address global warming, reduce our dependence on oil, and support sustainable transportation?&#8221;</p>
<p>My answer to this is YES!  Aesthetcics set the tone for future development.  Think of a quaint neighborhood full of Revival houses.  Now build a cheap box that maximizes dollars per square foot.  What have you just done to that neighborhood?  What do you think the next person will do when they want to remodel?  They&#8217;ll be less likely to build a traditional house because it is harder to justify the extra cost due to the addition of a poor comp.  And so it goes in a downward spiral.  Once you go down that path -corrupting the integrity of the initial continuity of design &#8211; you can&#8217;t turn it around.  When I designed and built the addition to my house, I put my money where my mouth is and my neighbors are extremely happy I did.  If HSR builds industrial looking elevated structures, it will only invite more of the same.  If they build context sensitive structures it will be an asset and help continue thoughtful design surrounding the tracks.</p>
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		<title>By: elfling</title>
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		<dc:creator>elfling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Solar tube lighting, also?</description>
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		<title>By: elfling</title>
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		<dc:creator>elfling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what you could do in terms of making them feel more cheerful. I keep wondering if you might be able, for example, to nest a mini-mall inside, add a coffee shop, etc. Have a shade-loving garden down the center. Obviously, that&#039;s not practical for every crossing, but one or two in neighborhoods that otherwise are walkable could be quite an interesting experiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what you could do in terms of making them feel more cheerful. I keep wondering if you might be able, for example, to nest a mini-mall inside, add a coffee shop, etc. Have a shade-loving garden down the center. Obviously, that&#8217;s not practical for every crossing, but one or two in neighborhoods that otherwise are walkable could be quite an interesting experiment.</p>
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		<title>By: elfling</title>
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		<dc:creator>elfling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally think aesthetics are important - it is amazing how much difference a beautiful bridge makes. Imagine the Golden Gate as a routine concrete overpass instead of the beautiful, graceful structure it is today. That beautiful bridge literally raises property values all through the Bay Area, perhaps by as much as $100k a parcel. 

That said, I think the way to go about it is to encourage local communities and/or a separate entity to fund the upgrades for higher quality aesthetics, rather than accounting them to the HSR project. The aesthetics benefit the community and the state tax base rather than rail transit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think aesthetics are important &#8211; it is amazing how much difference a beautiful bridge makes. Imagine the Golden Gate as a routine concrete overpass instead of the beautiful, graceful structure it is today. That beautiful bridge literally raises property values all through the Bay Area, perhaps by as much as $100k a parcel. </p>
<p>That said, I think the way to go about it is to encourage local communities and/or a separate entity to fund the upgrades for higher quality aesthetics, rather than accounting them to the HSR project. The aesthetics benefit the community and the state tax base rather than rail transit.</p>
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		<title>By: HSRComingSoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>HSRComingSoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This discussion over San Carlos is quite informative as to the issues that other cities are/will have to face when HSR/Caltrain grade separate. While I live in Burlingame, I personally believe the best option for the city would be a berm with an approx. height of 6-10 feet, depending on how far roads can be lowered where current grade crossings are now. Yet, the issue over blight is one that can be mitigated through incorporating increased crossings beneath or above a grade separation to decrease the &quot;divided city feeling&quot; but also to make sure that enough greenery is added to make a dividing line seem not as &quot;oppressive.&quot; Also, when it comes to pedestrian access and safety, it would be an added benefit if there are, for example, lighted accesses and CCTVs monitoring passageways to help ensure one&#039;s safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion over San Carlos is quite informative as to the issues that other cities are/will have to face when HSR/Caltrain grade separate. While I live in Burlingame, I personally believe the best option for the city would be a berm with an approx. height of 6-10 feet, depending on how far roads can be lowered where current grade crossings are now. Yet, the issue over blight is one that can be mitigated through incorporating increased crossings beneath or above a grade separation to decrease the &#8220;divided city feeling&#8221; but also to make sure that enough greenery is added to make a dividing line seem not as &#8220;oppressive.&#8221; Also, when it comes to pedestrian access and safety, it would be an added benefit if there are, for example, lighted accesses and CCTVs monitoring passageways to help ensure one&#8217;s safety.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something to consider, however, is that an elevated structure (as opposed to a solid berm) does not do as good a job of absorbing noise and vibrations, not to mention being about 75% more expensive (interestingly, though, a berm requires more lateral space to construct).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something to consider, however, is that an elevated structure (as opposed to a solid berm) does not do as good a job of absorbing noise and vibrations, not to mention being about 75% more expensive (interestingly, though, a berm requires more lateral space to construct).</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that they can make do with an 85&#039; or less wide berm, not including the with needed for platforms, etc. Buildings 60&#039; from the current tracks should not be a problem. If you check out Clem&#039;s blog on San Carlos, I believe the station building would need to be moved.

Regarding the pedestrian undercrossings, they are scary all over the world. This could be mitigated with making them very well lit. Since HSR will have CCTV along the entire route, it might also be possible to have surveillance of the undercrossings, to add an extra safety measure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that they can make do with an 85&#8242; or less wide berm, not including the with needed for platforms, etc. Buildings 60&#8242; from the current tracks should not be a problem. If you check out Clem&#8217;s blog on San Carlos, I believe the station building would need to be moved.</p>
<p>Regarding the pedestrian undercrossings, they are scary all over the world. This could be mitigated with making them very well lit. Since HSR will have CCTV along the entire route, it might also be possible to have surveillance of the undercrossings, to add an extra safety measure.</p>
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		<title>By: GESC</title>
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		<dc:creator>GESC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If so, the solution would seem to be to provide somewhat regular undercrossings for pedestrians (but not cars). Would that make some sense?&quot;

That would make perfect sense and the pictures that Emma linked to show designs that makes that possibility much easier than a berm.   The change was made so long ago that I honestly don&#039;t recall how many crossing points existed before the berm.  There are one or two tunnels that allow pedestrians to cross.  Tragically, I believe an assault and rape occurred in or by one of those tunnels a few years ago. 

&quot;Would you agree that even before the berm, east San Carlos was separated from the rest of San Carlos; the question now is exactly how that separation works and what the tradeoffs are with the berm?&quot;

I think the separation became much greater.  You could look across El Camino from either side and see what was there.  The berm blocks out our neighborhood entirely and the issue we face is that our city council seems to have adapted an &quot;out of sight, out of mind&quot; approach to issues revolving around our neighborhood.  

I think the questions in my mind are; Is the current berm design the best solution for HSR in San Carlos and the peninsula?  Where will the extra tracks for HSR fit on the berm?  If the Berm needs to be widened how will that be possible given that SamTrans plans to build buildings 60&#039; from the current tracks (not 60&#039; from the berm)?  There currently is plenty of space in San Carlos to accommodate different designs for HSR, in what ways will those be limited by placing buildings so close to the existing tracks?  I&#039;d like to see those HSR design issues settled before any development occurs directly adjacent to the tracks anywhere along the peninsula at least it seems to me that it would make more sense to do that.  
  
As to the Berlin wall example, I brought it up because you quoted the wall in your original post.  I think the Highway System and Urban renewal projects are better examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If so, the solution would seem to be to provide somewhat regular undercrossings for pedestrians (but not cars). Would that make some sense?&#8221;</p>
<p>That would make perfect sense and the pictures that Emma linked to show designs that makes that possibility much easier than a berm.   The change was made so long ago that I honestly don&#8217;t recall how many crossing points existed before the berm.  There are one or two tunnels that allow pedestrians to cross.  Tragically, I believe an assault and rape occurred in or by one of those tunnels a few years ago. </p>
<p>&#8220;Would you agree that even before the berm, east San Carlos was separated from the rest of San Carlos; the question now is exactly how that separation works and what the tradeoffs are with the berm?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the separation became much greater.  You could look across El Camino from either side and see what was there.  The berm blocks out our neighborhood entirely and the issue we face is that our city council seems to have adapted an &#8220;out of sight, out of mind&#8221; approach to issues revolving around our neighborhood.  </p>
<p>I think the questions in my mind are; Is the current berm design the best solution for HSR in San Carlos and the peninsula?  Where will the extra tracks for HSR fit on the berm?  If the Berm needs to be widened how will that be possible given that SamTrans plans to build buildings 60&#8242; from the current tracks (not 60&#8242; from the berm)?  There currently is plenty of space in San Carlos to accommodate different designs for HSR, in what ways will those be limited by placing buildings so close to the existing tracks?  I&#8217;d like to see those HSR design issues settled before any development occurs directly adjacent to the tracks anywhere along the peninsula at least it seems to me that it would make more sense to do that.  </p>
<p>As to the Berlin wall example, I brought it up because you quoted the wall in your original post.  I think the Highway System and Urban renewal projects are better examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Reality Check</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-67298&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GESC&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The corridor is far less permeable and pedestrian access has been significantly decreased. 
&lt;/i&gt;

Didn&#039;t the addition of the bike/ped underpasses at Commercial and F Streets actually &lt;i&gt;increase&lt;/i&gt; (legal) permeability by halving the distance some folks would have to walk/ride in order to reach one of the road crossings?</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-67298" rel="nofollow">GESC</a> :</strong></p>
<p><i>&#8220;The corridor is far less permeable and pedestrian access has been significantly decreased.<br />
</i></p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t the addition of the bike/ped underpasses at Commercial and F Streets actually <i>increase</i> (legal) permeability by halving the distance some folks would have to walk/ride in order to reach one of the road crossings?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: bpman</title>
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		<dc:creator>bpman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-67333&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@mike &lt;/a&gt; 
I agree.  Living in a neighborhood near here, the rail road section is very wide from san jose to santa clara.  Why the need for an elevated path? I really wish I was able to make the meeting last week.</description>
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I agree.  Living in a neighborhood near here, the rail road section is very wide from san jose to santa clara.  Why the need for an elevated path? I really wish I was able to make the meeting last week.</p>
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