Comments on: Attorney General’s Office: Transbay Terminal Must Be SF HSR Terminus

By: adirondacker12800

adirondacker12800 — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:02:56 +0000

There’d be four tracks of tunnel that diverges to two different destinations someplace between the existing Caltrain terminal and the new Caltrain terminal. Oakland doesn’t have anything to do with the four or five tracks. At Second and Townsend or Second and King Caltrain would head north so they could have the head of the train at Beale and Minna parallel to Minna. At Second and Townsend HSR would head east so they head of the train could be at Minna and Beale parallel to Beale.

Two tracks to something between Main and Beale would handle all the traffic from the Peninsula for a very long time if not forever. Two 45 degree curves instead of two 90 degree curves. Facilitates getting trains to Sacramento or Stockton or Calistoga or Santa Rosa someday.

By: Alon Levy

Alon Levy — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:40:25 +0000

There are palm trees in one of the richer neighborhoods of Monaco, but I don’t remember seeing them from the train. There are Mediterranean forests, though.

By: AndyDuncan

AndyDuncan — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:11:52 +0000

Yeah, though I don’t have any idea the number of trains coming in from a future transbay tube.

In their defense, however, since there would be two tunnels coming in from different directions there’s not much point in squeezing them down into two tracks just because two would be enough, you might as well just bring the two new tracks all the way to the station throat. You’d only be saving about a half block or so worth of tunnel, if that.

By: adirondacker12800

adirondacker12800 — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:06:54 +0000

I wasn’t suggesting you thought there was a need for it. Just contemplating that California is so very very extra special that they need 4 tracks when the rest of the world would find two more than adequate.

By: adirondacker12800

adirondacker12800 — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:01:21 +0000

They have embankments in Fairfield County, Connecticut, which is every bit as rich as the Peninsula.

And in Essex Union and Morris County in New Jersey and out on the Island and around Chicago….

And don’t they have palm trees on the Riviera?

But they aren’t Californian palm trees…..

By: Peter

Peter — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:19:13 +0000

And don’t they have palm trees on the Riviera?

By: Alon Levy

Alon Levy — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:08:58 +0000

Um, why should the Peninsula get to demand relocation? In both LA County and the Peninsula, the route selected is the cheapest and easiest to implement. Yes, it’d be faster through the Grapevine, Altamont, and a new Transbay Tube. It’d also bust the budget.

As for the els on the Peninsula? Meh. They have embankments in Fairfield County, Connecticut, which is every bit as rich as the Peninsula. They have embankments with narrow underpasses in the Riviera, whose property values make the Peninsula look like Detroit. They have els right through central Berlin and Tokyo, with bustling street scenes underneath, and through Singaporean neighborhoods and Italian Riviera towns…

By: synonymouse

synonymouse — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:26:49 +0000

I don’t think I could replace “Toys” I don’t really hate the hsr like Toys; I just prefer a different implementation because the current scheme is thoroughly troubled. If LA insists on Palmdale let them pay for the detour. Alternately the Peninsula should be able to demand a relocation of th e hsr if tunneling is refused.

By: jimsf

jimsf — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:52:11 +0000

The money thats been spent so far has not create a huge amount of new jobs because the initial dollars have gone to smaller shovel ready projects starting with little things like filling potholes and repaving streets, and that has kept local workers employed so they didnt get laid off, thats part of the “jobs saved” or created, the larger projects, that will result in hiring, some were not shovel ready and they take longer to get underway, that spending is in the pipeline. personally I think the timing wil be such that as summer gets here, youll see more large projects get underway ( certainly no one is building freeway interchanges in the midwest, northeast, or south, THIS winter) and youll see a spike in the employment numbers just in time for the midterms. I think that was the plan all long.

By: Peter

Peter — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:39:11 +0000

Did you … take his job?