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	<title>Comments on: Assembly Transportation Committee to Hold HSR Hearing Today</title>
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		<title>By: AndyDuncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyDuncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;you will have to lump our own Anaheim City Council into the mix of those who are ignorant and out of the political loop!&lt;/i&gt;

No argument there. In fact in a representative democracy, those are precisely the people who are tasked with keeping themselves in the loop about such things.

&quot;Nobody told me&quot; is not a justifiable excuse when it&#039;s your job to keep yourself informed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>you will have to lump our own Anaheim City Council into the mix of those who are ignorant and out of the political loop!</i></p>
<p>No argument there. In fact in a representative democracy, those are precisely the people who are tasked with keeping themselves in the loop about such things.</p>
<p>&#8220;Nobody told me&#8221; is not a justifiable excuse when it&#8217;s your job to keep yourself informed.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-45790&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Truth be Told  &lt;/a&gt; 
While I was unable to attend this in person, I did get to see it online, and i was floored at the misinformation being thrown out by HSR. Sacramento seems to have been left with the impression that the Anaheim to Los Angeles section is ready to go and the public is on board for this. The expert from the private sector even said that he was impressed by the level of public outreach, as the private sector does not like surprises coming up later in the Enviro work. Well surprise! As of this date, the Anaheim City Council has not been made aware of the existence nor of the contents of the Alternatives Analysis regarding Anaheim to Los Angeles! Councilmember Lucille Kring, during a meeting where she and City Staff presented a power point on ARTIC to the WAND group, stated that HSR would carry passengers to the Ontario Airport, and then out to Las Vegas, but that is many years out into the future! The staff that supported her was the City staff that worked on ARTIC, staff from Traffic Engineering and Transportation were there. Councilwoman Kring had to admit she had no knowledge of property takings by eminent domain, no knowledge of the timeline for the project, and no knowledge of the Alternatives Analysis, because CHSRA has done NO workshop or presentation to Council, or for the public, regarding the AA. Kring even said, &quot;Cynthia knows more about this than I do.&quot; Well Cynthia had to go get her own informationm since HSR has not even answered my email inquiries. The presentation on January 20th will be the FIRST disclosure to anyone in Anaheim regarding the Alternatives Analysis! So Spokker, go ahead and jump all over me for being a NIMBY who is simply out of touch with what is happening in the City, but you will have to lump our own Anaheim City Council into the mix of those who are ignorant and out of the political loop! 

If Sacramento and the private sector are under the impression that the people along the LOSSAN are OK with this, they are in for a shock. After the presentation, where I was invited to correct the misinformation presented by Council and staff, many members of the community spoke to me, asking about how to register their opposition to the Alt Analysis, and the word &quot;lawsuit&quot; came up repeatedly. When the citizens in the city governed by the CHSRA Chairman have not been notified of the existence and contents of the Alternatives Analysis yet, we have a problem!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-45790" rel="nofollow">@Truth be Told  </a><br />
While I was unable to attend this in person, I did get to see it online, and i was floored at the misinformation being thrown out by HSR. Sacramento seems to have been left with the impression that the Anaheim to Los Angeles section is ready to go and the public is on board for this. The expert from the private sector even said that he was impressed by the level of public outreach, as the private sector does not like surprises coming up later in the Enviro work. Well surprise! As of this date, the Anaheim City Council has not been made aware of the existence nor of the contents of the Alternatives Analysis regarding Anaheim to Los Angeles! Councilmember Lucille Kring, during a meeting where she and City Staff presented a power point on ARTIC to the WAND group, stated that HSR would carry passengers to the Ontario Airport, and then out to Las Vegas, but that is many years out into the future! The staff that supported her was the City staff that worked on ARTIC, staff from Traffic Engineering and Transportation were there. Councilwoman Kring had to admit she had no knowledge of property takings by eminent domain, no knowledge of the timeline for the project, and no knowledge of the Alternatives Analysis, because CHSRA has done NO workshop or presentation to Council, or for the public, regarding the AA. Kring even said, &#8220;Cynthia knows more about this than I do.&#8221; Well Cynthia had to go get her own informationm since HSR has not even answered my email inquiries. The presentation on January 20th will be the FIRST disclosure to anyone in Anaheim regarding the Alternatives Analysis! So Spokker, go ahead and jump all over me for being a NIMBY who is simply out of touch with what is happening in the City, but you will have to lump our own Anaheim City Council into the mix of those who are ignorant and out of the political loop! </p>
<p>If Sacramento and the private sector are under the impression that the people along the LOSSAN are OK with this, they are in for a shock. After the presentation, where I was invited to correct the misinformation presented by Council and staff, many members of the community spoke to me, asking about how to register their opposition to the Alt Analysis, and the word &#8220;lawsuit&#8221; came up repeatedly. When the citizens in the city governed by the CHSRA Chairman have not been notified of the existence and contents of the Alternatives Analysis yet, we have a problem!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No reason to expect unreasonable people to be reasonable, suddenly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No reason to expect unreasonable people to be reasonable, suddenly.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyDuncan</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/assembly-transportation-committee-to-hold-hsr-hearing-today/comment-page-1/#comment-46145</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyDuncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ocregister.com/news/train-229024-trains-long.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;only going to get worse&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it&#8217;s <a href="http://www.ocregister.com/news/train-229024-trains-long.html" rel="nofollow">only going to get worse</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyDuncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyDuncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typically the NIMBY response to the information that diesel caltrain trains, even without their horns, are louder than the HSR trains will be is some sort of blabbering response about how they &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; set up quiet zones, or how they &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; electrify caltrain without bothering to explain why they haven&#039;t done so yet, where they plan on getting the money from, or why a two-track elevated structure or two-track undercrossing is somehow magically ok, but a slightly wider four-track version is not.

I&#039;ve mentioned many times before, but I have friends who live near and next to (literally backing up to the ROW) the LOSSAN corridor. They are &lt;b&gt;adamant&lt;/b&gt; that the only thing they care about is getting rid of the (apologies robert) &lt;i&gt;&quot;F*cking horns&quot;&lt;/i&gt;. They don&#039;t even care about the heavy freight trains that rumble through, they just care about the horns. I&#039;ve had the pleasure of spending the night near the tracks on several occasions, you can hear those damn horns coming from miles away, and those diesel locomotives are quite loud. The horns have gotten even worse recently, as Metrolink was trying to make nice by putting them lower on the locomotives so that the sound wouldn&#039;t carry as far, but the FRA made them put them up higher. This makes the difference between a 110DB horn at 15-foot off the rails versus the 70-ish DB noise coming predominantly off the bogies of an electric trainset much greater and makes the horn noise much more difficult to mitigate.

If the Peninsula isn&#039;t blighted by Caltrain, it won&#039;t be blighted by HSR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typically the NIMBY response to the information that diesel caltrain trains, even without their horns, are louder than the HSR trains will be is some sort of blabbering response about how they <i>could</i> set up quiet zones, or how they <i>could</i> electrify caltrain without bothering to explain why they haven&#8217;t done so yet, where they plan on getting the money from, or why a two-track elevated structure or two-track undercrossing is somehow magically ok, but a slightly wider four-track version is not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve mentioned many times before, but I have friends who live near and next to (literally backing up to the ROW) the LOSSAN corridor. They are <b>adamant</b> that the only thing they care about is getting rid of the (apologies robert) <i>&#8220;F*cking horns&#8221;</i>. They don&#8217;t even care about the heavy freight trains that rumble through, they just care about the horns. I&#8217;ve had the pleasure of spending the night near the tracks on several occasions, you can hear those damn horns coming from miles away, and those diesel locomotives are quite loud. The horns have gotten even worse recently, as Metrolink was trying to make nice by putting them lower on the locomotives so that the sound wouldn&#8217;t carry as far, but the FRA made them put them up higher. This makes the difference between a 110DB horn at 15-foot off the rails versus the 70-ish DB noise coming predominantly off the bogies of an electric trainset much greater and makes the horn noise much more difficult to mitigate.</p>
<p>If the Peninsula isn&#8217;t blighted by Caltrain, it won&#8217;t be blighted by HSR.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/assembly-transportation-committee-to-hold-hsr-hearing-today/comment-page-1/#comment-46142</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... in essence, running HSR on the Peninsula will be a lot quieter than Caltrain. Does Synonymouse have any FACTS to counter that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; in essence, running HSR on the Peninsula will be a lot quieter than Caltrain. Does Synonymouse have any FACTS to counter that?</p>
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		<title>By: AndyDuncan</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/01/assembly-transportation-committee-to-hold-hsr-hearing-today/comment-page-1/#comment-46140</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyDuncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re a federally mandated &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fra.dot.gov/downloads/safety/trainhorn_2005/amended_final_rule_081706.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;110 DB at 100ft&lt;/a&gt; far louder than any numbers I&#039;ve been able to find for HSR trains operating at 200 mph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re a federally mandated <a href="http://www.fra.dot.gov/downloads/safety/trainhorn_2005/amended_final_rule_081706.pdf" rel="nofollow">110 DB at 100ft</a> far louder than any numbers I&#8217;ve been able to find for HSR trains operating at 200 mph.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious. Does anyone know the db rating of the horns on Caltrain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious. Does anyone know the db rating of the horns on Caltrain?</p>
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		<title>By: jimsf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimsf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 00:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cities are noisy.  hello stupidity.   if you need quiet you need to move to the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cities are noisy.  hello stupidity.   if you need quiet you need to move to the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, Synonymouse is being tripped up by facts.

The Bay Area Air Quality Management District does not deal with noise. They deal with other types of air pollution. They only impose those environmental regulations for those pollutants that they are permitted to regulate under the Clean Air Act (ozone, etc). Their regulations are meant to help the District come in compliance with the National Ambient Air Quality Standards. California does have some stricter standards, but for the most part they are actually the same as the NAAQS. The authority to impose such stricter standards is granted to California by the Clean Air Act. That does not mean that CA has the authority to regulate train noise, an area that clearly falls under the Commerce Clause, and has been regulated by the federal government, which most likely preempts state regulation of the same.

While the Clean Air Act does have a section on noise pollution, that area fell off the legislative agenda and has become irrelevant.

Also, like I stated earlier, the noise standards are in the process of being reviewed and revised, by the proper authorities. The regulated entities (the railroads and the manufacturers) expect revised and stricter regulation. So your comment is not adding anything to the discussion, except to fling further unsubstantiated froth.

And also like I said, there is no reason to expect that the Acela actually runs at 90 db. This is the max that it is allowed to do by regulation. This is something that you apparently ignore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, Synonymouse is being tripped up by facts.</p>
<p>The Bay Area Air Quality Management District does not deal with noise. They deal with other types of air pollution. They only impose those environmental regulations for those pollutants that they are permitted to regulate under the Clean Air Act (ozone, etc). Their regulations are meant to help the District come in compliance with the National Ambient Air Quality Standards. California does have some stricter standards, but for the most part they are actually the same as the NAAQS. The authority to impose such stricter standards is granted to California by the Clean Air Act. That does not mean that CA has the authority to regulate train noise, an area that clearly falls under the Commerce Clause, and has been regulated by the federal government, which most likely preempts state regulation of the same.</p>
<p>While the Clean Air Act does have a section on noise pollution, that area fell off the legislative agenda and has become irrelevant.</p>
<p>Also, like I stated earlier, the noise standards are in the process of being reviewed and revised, by the proper authorities. The regulated entities (the railroads and the manufacturers) expect revised and stricter regulation. So your comment is not adding anything to the discussion, except to fling further unsubstantiated froth.</p>
<p>And also like I said, there is no reason to expect that the Acela actually runs at 90 db. This is the max that it is allowed to do by regulation. This is something that you apparently ignore.</p>
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