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	<title>Comments on: HSR Deniers Spreading Lies In Advance of Today&#8217;s CHSRA Board Meeting</title>
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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some Real Talk. The CHSRA, for all of their downsides, has achieved what no other organization could achieve in California, achieved really what was their primary goal up to November 2008, the passed a bond measure that would get the HSR effort in California started. For that they deserve all accolades and appreciation.

The LA-SF I-5 Grapevine route is certainly something I would support. But who wouldn&#039;t support it? The rest of the state. Like it or not, this project is contingent on broad political support. Look at the voting for Prop 1A. With the exception of Orange County, every county with a phase 1 station voted yes on the bond measure. Perhaps having the Inland-Empire, San Diego and Sacramento in phase 2 caused them to vote no in lesser numbers than they would have. 

In either case, the CHSRA can&#039;t just propose a route that benefits the Bay Area and LA. The rest of the state is going to tell them to piss off and both areas can&#039;t fund it alone. Like it or lump it, the process that is happening now is likely the only way it&#039;ll happen in California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some Real Talk. The CHSRA, for all of their downsides, has achieved what no other organization could achieve in California, achieved really what was their primary goal up to November 2008, the passed a bond measure that would get the HSR effort in California started. For that they deserve all accolades and appreciation.</p>
<p>The LA-SF I-5 Grapevine route is certainly something I would support. But who wouldn&#8217;t support it? The rest of the state. Like it or not, this project is contingent on broad political support. Look at the voting for Prop 1A. With the exception of Orange County, every county with a phase 1 station voted yes on the bond measure. Perhaps having the Inland-Empire, San Diego and Sacramento in phase 2 caused them to vote no in lesser numbers than they would have. </p>
<p>In either case, the CHSRA can&#8217;t just propose a route that benefits the Bay Area and LA. The rest of the state is going to tell them to piss off and both areas can&#8217;t fund it alone. Like it or lump it, the process that is happening now is likely the only way it&#8217;ll happen in California.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you and others will be submitting new comments on the Altamont v. Pacheco issue. Those comments will be analyzed and the end result will be the same. They can use the same data they used the first time plus whatever they&#039;ve developed since then. Given that they now in fact do have viable alternatives they can in fact use to discuss the transition between San Jose and Gilroy (note they discussed them at the last meeting), and they can easily discuss the measures available for high-speed trains to reduce noise and vibration as mitigation, there&#039;s no reason why the EIR can&#039;t be completed quickly.

I have no doubt that you and many others will be submitting comments to the EIR, explaining why the Board is misguided and should choose Altamont. Those letters will be summarized, analyzed, and categorically shot down in the EIR&#039;s analysis. The only thing that could save you is if they don&#039;t do their jobs well enough and miss an aspect of a letter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you and others will be submitting new comments on the Altamont v. Pacheco issue. Those comments will be analyzed and the end result will be the same. They can use the same data they used the first time plus whatever they&#8217;ve developed since then. Given that they now in fact do have viable alternatives they can in fact use to discuss the transition between San Jose and Gilroy (note they discussed them at the last meeting), and they can easily discuss the measures available for high-speed trains to reduce noise and vibration as mitigation, there&#8217;s no reason why the EIR can&#8217;t be completed quickly.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that you and many others will be submitting comments to the EIR, explaining why the Board is misguided and should choose Altamont. Those letters will be summarized, analyzed, and categorically shot down in the EIR&#8217;s analysis. The only thing that could save you is if they don&#8217;t do their jobs well enough and miss an aspect of a letter.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cruickshank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Cruickshank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note: Joey&#039;s comment was in response to a comment by YesonHSR. I meant to edit it to show the comment had been expunged via moderation, but accidentally hit the &quot;Delete&quot; button. In the future, I&#039;ll edit the comment to show it had been rejected for offensive content, rather than just deleting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: Joey&#8217;s comment was in response to a comment by YesonHSR. I meant to edit it to show the comment had been expunged via moderation, but accidentally hit the &#8220;Delete&#8221; button. In the future, I&#8217;ll edit the comment to show it had been rejected for offensive content, rather than just deleting it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cruickshank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Cruickshank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, you don&#039;t want a viable system built. You are willing to jeopardize the federal funding we desperately need to get this underway through your lawsuits and delaying tactics. We have a chance to actually get HSR for California, but you prefer to undermine that chance at every available opportunity. Therefore, we merely draw the logical conclusions from your actions.

There are other, more constructive ways to help provide citizen oversight and accountability that the CHSRA, as with any other arm of government, needs. I&#039;m not supportive of everything the CHSRA says or does, but I am willing to both provide feedback and constructive criticism when warranted, but also work with them to build a project this state desperately needs.

Do you have any other plan to build HSR in California? Any other strategy for winning federal funding? Since it looks as if you do not, you&#039;re merely falling into the trap of assuming there&#039;s nothing wrong with the status quo, that we don&#039;t actually have to build HSR right now, that we can wait another 30 years until a project comes along that meets every single one of your purist standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, you don&#8217;t want a viable system built. You are willing to jeopardize the federal funding we desperately need to get this underway through your lawsuits and delaying tactics. We have a chance to actually get HSR for California, but you prefer to undermine that chance at every available opportunity. Therefore, we merely draw the logical conclusions from your actions.</p>
<p>There are other, more constructive ways to help provide citizen oversight and accountability that the CHSRA, as with any other arm of government, needs. I&#8217;m not supportive of everything the CHSRA says or does, but I am willing to both provide feedback and constructive criticism when warranted, but also work with them to build a project this state desperately needs.</p>
<p>Do you have any other plan to build HSR in California? Any other strategy for winning federal funding? Since it looks as if you do not, you&#8217;re merely falling into the trap of assuming there&#8217;s nothing wrong with the status quo, that we don&#8217;t actually have to build HSR right now, that we can wait another 30 years until a project comes along that meets every single one of your purist standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Bianca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 12:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want to see High Speed Rail built, but you are opponents of the Authority tasked with doing exactly that?  Mmmmmmkay.  Can you provide an example of a major infrastructure project in this country that did not include the involvement of politicians?  If you really want High Speed Rail built in California, politicians are a part of the process, full stop.  I´m not saying that is the ideal, I´m saying that´s just the way it is.  

Saying that you want a high speed rail system built in California without the involvement of politicians, be they hacks or no, is like saying you want a unicorn that farts rainbows and poops diamonds.  Sounds lovely.  But the people of California have voted, and want this project to move forward, and shouldn´t have to wait for your idealized notions of how things should be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want to see High Speed Rail built, but you are opponents of the Authority tasked with doing exactly that?  Mmmmmmkay.  Can you provide an example of a major infrastructure project in this country that did not include the involvement of politicians?  If you really want High Speed Rail built in California, politicians are a part of the process, full stop.  I´m not saying that is the ideal, I´m saying that´s just the way it is.  </p>
<p>Saying that you want a high speed rail system built in California without the involvement of politicians, be they hacks or no, is like saying you want a unicorn that farts rainbows and poops diamonds.  Sounds lovely.  But the people of California have voted, and want this project to move forward, and shouldn´t have to wait for your idealized notions of how things should be done.</p>
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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 08:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who knew that creating a high speed rail network would be so hard? Golly, this Pacheco route sure is a mess! Better build this darn thing on the Altamont corridor where the suburban homeowners living in low-density subdivisions are just crazy fer trains!

Lord knows not having Pleasanton (pop: ~63,000) and Livermore (pop: ~73,000)  and Tracy (pop: ~82,000) on board in phase 1 is going to break this project. Follow the lights, indeed, no matter how dim they are. Even the suburbs of Anaheim and Norwak have higher population densities than all three by a wide margin.

I&#039;m not particularly happy about Gilroy having a station and I think LA-San Diego would make a better starter line. I better call my attorney before this HSR destroys the country and we are all eating Bic Macs with chopsticks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knew that creating a high speed rail network would be so hard? Golly, this Pacheco route sure is a mess! Better build this darn thing on the Altamont corridor where the suburban homeowners living in low-density subdivisions are just crazy fer trains!</p>
<p>Lord knows not having Pleasanton (pop: ~63,000) and Livermore (pop: ~73,000)  and Tracy (pop: ~82,000) on board in phase 1 is going to break this project. Follow the lights, indeed, no matter how dim they are. Even the suburbs of Anaheim and Norwak have higher population densities than all three by a wide margin.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not particularly happy about Gilroy having a station and I think LA-San Diego would make a better starter line. I better call my attorney before this HSR destroys the country and we are all eating Bic Macs with chopsticks.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here as in where?  I&#039;m not from San José, but SF isn&#039;t that far away...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here as in where?  I&#8217;m not from San José, but SF isn&#8217;t that far away&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: YesonHSR</title>
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		<dc:creator>YesonHSR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YOU dont live here..SO you dont know what We are fighting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YOU dont live here..SO you dont know what We are fighting</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 06:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watch the offensive language.  Moderation is active here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch the offensive language.  Moderation is active here.</p>
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		<title>By: TRANSDEF</title>
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		<dc:creator>TRANSDEF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In keeping with the spirit of journalism, it would be good for you to stop characterizing people that challenge the HSRA as HSR opponents.  We have always been supporters of HSR.  We very much want to see a viable system built.    That&#039;s 100% of the motivation for what we do.  

We are, however, opponents of the HSRA.  The HSRA will never be able to deliver a viable system.  We are more than convinced that hack politicians cannot be trusted to make decisions that are in the public interest.  Their consultants are not objective--their work just supports whatever decisions the politicians have made.

As far as I can tell, your standard for objectivity is:  If Quentin said it, it must be true!

Robert Cruickshank, lapdog to the powerful</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In keeping with the spirit of journalism, it would be good for you to stop characterizing people that challenge the HSRA as HSR opponents.  We have always been supporters of HSR.  We very much want to see a viable system built.    That&#8217;s 100% of the motivation for what we do.  </p>
<p>We are, however, opponents of the HSRA.  The HSRA will never be able to deliver a viable system.  We are more than convinced that hack politicians cannot be trusted to make decisions that are in the public interest.  Their consultants are not objective&#8211;their work just supports whatever decisions the politicians have made.</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, your standard for objectivity is:  If Quentin said it, it must be true!</p>
<p>Robert Cruickshank, lapdog to the powerful</p>
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