Comments on: California One of 4 HSR Stimulus Finalists? http://www.cahsrblog.com/2009/12/california-one-of-4-hsr-stimulus-finalists/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=california-one-of-4-hsr-stimulus-finalists California High Speed Rail support blog, spreading news and info about the high speed trains project approved by California voters in November 2008. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:54:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Nathanael http://www.cahsrblog.com/2009/12/california-one-of-4-hsr-stimulus-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-43566 Nathanael Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:10:04 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2592#comment-43566 In fact, San Franscisco has serious problems. Not at Muni, though. The rest of the city keeps cheating Muni. Read this article: http://www.sfweekly.com/2009-12-16/news/the-worst-run-big-city-in-the-u-s/1 In fact, San Franscisco has serious problems. Not at Muni, though. The rest of the city keeps cheating Muni.

Read this article:
http://www.sfweekly.com/2009-12-16/news/the-worst-run-big-city-in-the-u-s/1

]]> By: Nathanael http://www.cahsrblog.com/2009/12/california-one-of-4-hsr-stimulus-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-43565 Nathanael Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:07:43 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2592#comment-43565 Well, maybe if there were 500 billion dollars to spare people would be happy with the Grapevine. Seriously, the HSR authority really wanted the Grapevine route. They did a lot of engineering studies. The engineers said it was simply too unsafe and very likely to turn into a "Big Dig". Well, maybe if there were 500 billion dollars to spare people would be happy with the Grapevine.

Seriously, the HSR authority really wanted the Grapevine route. They did a lot of engineering studies. The engineers said it was simply too unsafe and very likely to turn into a “Big Dig”.

]]> By: Nathanael http://www.cahsrblog.com/2009/12/california-one-of-4-hsr-stimulus-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-43556 Nathanael Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:58:26 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2592#comment-43556 I-5 is a parking lot at rush hour. I-15 is also a parking lot at rush hour. The Surfliners to San Diego are full. The Coasters to San Diego are full. The Metrolinks to Oceanside are full. The track from San Diego to Oceanside is full. A station in Anaheim is completely useless to San Diego people unless they plan carefully to drive to LA outside rush hour. I-5 is a parking lot at rush hour. I-15 is also a parking lot at rush hour. The Surfliners to San Diego are full. The Coasters to San Diego are full. The Metrolinks to Oceanside are full. The track from San Diego to Oceanside is full.

A station in Anaheim is completely useless to San Diego people unless they plan carefully to drive to LA outside rush hour.

]]> By: Nathanael http://www.cahsrblog.com/2009/12/california-one-of-4-hsr-stimulus-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-43329 Nathanael Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:16:42 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2592#comment-43329 I really hope the leak was wrong. Florida doesn't deserve *anything* thanks to its historic incompetence and is going to be a waste of money, especially since the damn place is going to sink under the waves. The Chicago area deserves great bundles, but I *really* hope it doesn't all go into Chicago-St. Louis, which has been a money pit with nothing to show for it. Build some improvements on Chicago-Milwaukee and the Chicago-East Coast mainline (including Detroit, Carbondale, and Indianapolis services) please -- this will help lots of states simultaneously. I really hope the leak was wrong.

Florida doesn’t deserve *anything* thanks to its historic incompetence and is going to be a waste of money, especially since the damn place is going to sink under the waves.

The Chicago area deserves great bundles, but I *really* hope it doesn’t all go into Chicago-St. Louis, which has been a money pit with nothing to show for it. Build some improvements on Chicago-Milwaukee and the Chicago-East Coast mainline (including Detroit, Carbondale, and Indianapolis services) please — this will help lots of states simultaneously.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://www.cahsrblog.com/2009/12/california-one-of-4-hsr-stimulus-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-43306 Alon Levy Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:05:35 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2592#comment-43306 Is this a gauge tolerance for tracks, or trains? That is, if you take a TGV and run it on a legacy line at 130 km/h, does it still need to conform to a 1 mm spec? Either way, medium-speed trains have been able to run on legacy track with tolerances of 3-4 mm, allowing interoperation of Russian and Finnish trains. Is this a gauge tolerance for tracks, or trains? That is, if you take a TGV and run it on a legacy line at 130 km/h, does it still need to conform to a 1 mm spec?

Either way, medium-speed trains have been able to run on legacy track with tolerances of 3-4 mm, allowing interoperation of Russian and Finnish trains.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://www.cahsrblog.com/2009/12/california-one-of-4-hsr-stimulus-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-43305 Alon Levy Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:03:52 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2592#comment-43305 However, if California designates the line as outside the core HSR line, it will allow the electrified Metrolink to serve extra stations, such as Santa Ana, without hitting the 24 station limit. It will also allow building the line to more liberal commuter rail specs, such as a top speed of 160 km/h instad of 240. However, if California designates the line as outside the core HSR line, it will allow the electrified Metrolink to serve extra stations, such as Santa Ana, without hitting the 24 station limit. It will also allow building the line to more liberal commuter rail specs, such as a top speed of 160 km/h instad of 240.

]]> By: AndyDuncan http://www.cahsrblog.com/2009/12/california-one-of-4-hsr-stimulus-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-43283 AndyDuncan Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:51:52 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2592#comment-43283 You've only explained why a report, any report, could possibly be flawed. You haven't explained why the conclusions in this particular report are flawed. This: <i>"The fix was put in for Palmdale. Period."</i> Is not an argument without something to back it up. Here's a hint: work out some estimates as to how much more ridership CHSRA could expect if the line was 12 minutes shorter. Figure out the cost estimate of putting a tunnel across a major, overdue fault line. Work out the alternative tunneling scenarios in case the one the software found isn't feasible. Then figure out what the net gain in ridership is after you've saved 12 miles and taken stations away from a captive ridership pool of millions of people who have <i>no other mode of transit to vie for your business</i>, then figure out whether that net gain in ridership (if it exists, it probably doesn't) is worth the increased expense for your grapevine/i-5 train to Livermore (hah). Or, alternately, you can just keep coming back here and trolling the boards with the same nonsensical, mouth-breathing nonsense and claiming that the whole thing is corrupt because you said so. Holy crap, some guy on the internet said it's corrupt and didn't give any reasons why, he must be right! You’ve only explained why a report, any report, could possibly be flawed. You haven’t explained why the conclusions in this particular report are flawed.

This:

“The fix was put in for Palmdale. Period.”

Is not an argument without something to back it up.

Here’s a hint: work out some estimates as to how much more ridership CHSRA could expect if the line was 12 minutes shorter. Figure out the cost estimate of putting a tunnel across a major, overdue fault line. Work out the alternative tunneling scenarios in case the one the software found isn’t feasible. Then figure out what the net gain in ridership is after you’ve saved 12 miles and taken stations away from a captive ridership pool of millions of people who have no other mode of transit to vie for your business, then figure out whether that net gain in ridership (if it exists, it probably doesn’t) is worth the increased expense for your grapevine/i-5 train to Livermore (hah).

Or, alternately, you can just keep coming back here and trolling the boards with the same nonsensical, mouth-breathing nonsense and claiming that the whole thing is corrupt because you said so.

Holy crap, some guy on the internet said it’s corrupt and didn’t give any reasons why, he must be right!

]]> By: dejv http://www.cahsrblog.com/2009/12/california-one-of-4-hsr-stimulus-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-43242 dejv Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:29:44 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2592#comment-43242 > A little powdery snow is being blamed for an utter hsr debacle at the Channel, with the stranded passengers claiming the railway staff went “äwol” when trains failed. With a government run California hsr you can expect similar problems. Because CA HSR network will include so much long and deep tunnels to keep their interior 30C/60F warmer than outside air. :D > A little powdery snow is being blamed for an utter hsr debacle at the Channel, with the stranded passengers claiming the railway staff went “äwol” when trains failed. With a government run California hsr you can expect similar problems.

Because CA HSR network will include so much long and deep tunnels to keep their interior 30C/60F warmer than outside air. :D

]]> By: dejv http://www.cahsrblog.com/2009/12/california-one-of-4-hsr-stimulus-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-43240 dejv Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:23:51 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2592#comment-43240 Long tunnels mean VERY high construction costs and termini far from population mean low ridership. Long tunnels mean VERY high construction costs and termini far from population mean low ridership.

]]> By: jimsf http://www.cahsrblog.com/2009/12/california-one-of-4-hsr-stimulus-finalists/comment-page-1/#comment-43237 jimsf Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:07:57 +0000 http://www.cahsrblog.com/?p=2592#comment-43237 youre completely off the reservation now. youre completely off the reservation now.

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