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		<title>By: Morris Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2008/10/kopps-epic-smackdown-of-hsr-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-49266</link>
		<dc:creator>Morris Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here on youtube is the audio/video from Joseph Vranich from the State Senate hearing on the missing business plan.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeDlfIHbKxY&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link to part 1:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br/&gt;  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTLLEwGuahc&amp;feature=channel&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link to part 2:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL9pt_Y-kRU&amp;feature=channel&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link to part 3:&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here on youtube is the audio/video from Joseph Vranich from the State Senate hearing on the missing business plan.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeDlfIHbKxY" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">link to part 1:</a></p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTLLEwGuahc&#038;feature=channel" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">link to part 2:</a></p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL9pt_Y-kRU&#038;feature=channel" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">link to part 3:</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brandon in San Diego</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2008/10/kopps-epic-smackdown-of-hsr-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-49245</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon in San Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy seeing the exchange between Kopp and Ashburn once more.  But, I think it ended short.  The first exchange from Ashburn afterwards was like a kid had his pants pulled down in front of the girls kindergarten class!  It, I felt, was the crescendo of the exchange.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for the testimony against HSR... it appeared that Vranich was confident and sounded like he knew what he was talking about.  But &#039;sounded&#039; is the key word. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, I was prompted last night to pull out that Due Diligence Report to examine the data for myself.  I don&#039;t mean the executive summary... b/c that thing says the same thing in each segment, provides no data and only opinion on this or that.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Since many of the arguments against the merit-worthiness of the CHSRA plan relies on ridership projects, including as a business model, GHG reductions, and so forth, I zoomed to that part of the report to see what it had to say.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And what I found...  absolutely zero original work!  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The entire argument about ridership rests on comparisons to earlier projections and other systems.  There is zero original  work having any substance.  And the argument is very verbose, and seems to want to convince the reader with its volume of argument.  It&#039;s not objective at all and it&#039;s too difficult to take at face value, if at all. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If Vranich truly has applicable experience in rail projects, he should know that the Due Diligence report should forward projections originating from appropriate methodologies and planning work.  Instead, only a number is forwarded with no dialogue about where his numbers come from.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Credibility with me is not zero, it&#039;s negative.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Btw, I have ridership projections too!  I should forward them to appropriate authorities.... after all, if Vranich thinks his have merit, mine must too!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the report cannot treat ridership projections with its proper due, then how can readers accept other arguments elsewhere in the report?    &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And, although Vranich made his way into the room with the Senate T&amp;H Committee with such a baseless report, I can understand how.  He&#039;s attached at the hip with the anti-tax Jarvis group.... and the Senate meeting was put together at Ashburns request, likely.  Ashburn was probably the one that invited him too, no doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy seeing the exchange between Kopp and Ashburn once more.  But, I think it ended short.  The first exchange from Ashburn afterwards was like a kid had his pants pulled down in front of the girls kindergarten class!  It, I felt, was the crescendo of the exchange.</p>
<p>As for the testimony against HSR&#8230; it appeared that Vranich was confident and sounded like he knew what he was talking about.  But &#39;sounded&#39; is the key word. </p>
<p>So, I was prompted last night to pull out that Due Diligence Report to examine the data for myself.  I don&#39;t mean the executive summary&#8230; b/c that thing says the same thing in each segment, provides no data and only opinion on this or that.  </p>
<p>Since many of the arguments against the merit-worthiness of the CHSRA plan relies on ridership projects, including as a business model, GHG reductions, and so forth, I zoomed to that part of the report to see what it had to say.  </p>
<p>And what I found&#8230;  absolutely zero original work!  </p>
<p>The entire argument about ridership rests on comparisons to earlier projections and other systems.  There is zero original  work having any substance.  And the argument is very verbose, and seems to want to convince the reader with its volume of argument.  It&#39;s not objective at all and it&#39;s too difficult to take at face value, if at all. </p>
<p>If Vranich truly has applicable experience in rail projects, he should know that the Due Diligence report should forward projections originating from appropriate methodologies and planning work.  Instead, only a number is forwarded with no dialogue about where his numbers come from.  </p>
<p>Credibility with me is not zero, it&#39;s negative.</p>
<p>Btw, I have ridership projections too!  I should forward them to appropriate authorities&#8230;. after all, if Vranich thinks his have merit, mine must too!</p>
<p>If the report cannot treat ridership projections with its proper due, then how can readers accept other arguments elsewhere in the report?    </p>
<p>And, although Vranich made his way into the room with the Senate T&amp;H Committee with such a baseless report, I can understand how.  He&#39;s attached at the hip with the anti-tax Jarvis group&#8230;. and the Senate meeting was put together at Ashburns request, likely.  Ashburn was probably the one that invited him too, no doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cruickshank</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2008/10/kopps-epic-smackdown-of-hsr-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-49236</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Cruickshank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Schonbrunn is merely parroting the same discredited bullshit - about the UP ROW (we know that the Authority does not and never did need it), that Pacheco was chosen to enrich speculators and sprawl (there will be no Los Banos station), etc.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;David Schonbrunn *opposes* high speed rail. He does not want to see this project built. That much needs to be made clear here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schonbrunn is merely parroting the same discredited bullshit &#8211; about the UP ROW (we know that the Authority does not and never did need it), that Pacheco was chosen to enrich speculators and sprawl (there will be no Los Banos station), etc.</p>
<p>David Schonbrunn *opposes* high speed rail. He does not want to see this project built. That much needs to be made clear here.</p>
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		<title>By: jwb</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2008/10/kopps-epic-smackdown-of-hsr-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-49235</link>
		<dc:creator>jwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much as I like Kopp, the TRANSDEF guy makes the case strongly for Altamont, which was already the alignment I would have preferred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much as I like Kopp, the TRANSDEF guy makes the case strongly for Altamont, which was already the alignment I would have preferred.</p>
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		<title>By: TRANSDEF</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2008/10/kopps-epic-smackdown-of-hsr-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-49234</link>
		<dc:creator>TRANSDEF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Wednesday, David Schonbrunn of TRANSDEF had an intense debate on KALW-FM with Quentin Kopp, Chairman of the California High-Speed Rail Authority.  In the debate, Schonbrunn identified how the politicization of High-Speed Rail development has resulted in an inferior and unworkable proposal, and why TRANSDEF has concluded that the $9.95 billion HSR bond measure, Proposition 1A, must fail if California is to have viable High-Speed Rail.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You can find the blue-colored link to the podcast file of the debate, near the bottom of the HSR page on our website:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://transdef.org/HSR/HSR.html&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you need a more detailed analysis of what is wrong with the work of the High-Speed Rail Authority, there is a blue link at the bottom of the same web page to testimony delivered yesterday to the Senate Transportation and Housing Committee by High-Speed Rail expert Joseph Vranich.  He concluded by calling for the dissolution of the Authority.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;BTW, it was no surprise that the bond measure is on the ballot this November.  HSRA could have spent its funds last year on a business plan, rather than on PR in preparation for the election.  How much did all those gee-whiz animations cost?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Wednesday, David Schonbrunn of TRANSDEF had an intense debate on KALW-FM with Quentin Kopp, Chairman of the California High-Speed Rail Authority.  In the debate, Schonbrunn identified how the politicization of High-Speed Rail development has resulted in an inferior and unworkable proposal, and why TRANSDEF has concluded that the $9.95 billion HSR bond measure, Proposition 1A, must fail if California is to have viable High-Speed Rail.</p>
<p>You can find the blue-colored link to the podcast file of the debate, near the bottom of the HSR page on our website:</p>
<p><a href="http://transdef.org/HSR/HSR.html" rel="nofollow">http://transdef.org/HSR/HSR.html</a></p>
<p>If you need a more detailed analysis of what is wrong with the work of the High-Speed Rail Authority, there is a blue link at the bottom of the same web page to testimony delivered yesterday to the Senate Transportation and Housing Committee by High-Speed Rail expert Joseph Vranich.  He concluded by calling for the dissolution of the Authority.</p>
<p>BTW, it was no surprise that the bond measure is on the ballot this November.  HSRA could have spent its funds last year on a business plan, rather than on PR in preparation for the election.  How much did all those gee-whiz animations cost?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cruickshank</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2008/10/kopps-epic-smackdown-of-hsr-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-49233</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Cruickshank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much, jwb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much, jwb.</p>
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		<title>By: jwb</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2008/10/kopps-epic-smackdown-of-hsr-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-49232</link>
		<dc:creator>jwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I uploaded this to youtube, so people don&#039;t have to fish through 90 minutes of crap.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEkWWZOXA68</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I uploaded this to youtube, so people don&#8217;t have to fish through 90 minutes of crap.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEkWWZOXA68" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEkWWZOXA68</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cruickshank</title>
		<link>http://www.cahsrblog.com/2008/10/kopps-epic-smackdown-of-hsr-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-49230</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Cruickshank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, you&#039;re either not reading what I&#039;ve written or are being willfully misleading. The state budget problems are caused by people like Roy Ashburn who refuse to do their Constitutionally mandated duty and provide the state with a balanced budget by June 15.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The budget deficit is not difficult to close from a policy standpoint. Or even from a political standpoint. The problem is the 2/3 rule and the Republican obstructionists.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Away from the fight on Prop 1A we are working VERY hard to resolve that problem. A measure will be on the special election ballot in the spring to eliminate the 2/3 rule. Dems are close to winning a 2/3 majority in the Legislature in just over a week&#039;s time.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In any case, the budget deficit is not a permanent feature of life here. It is a problem deliberately created by Republicans &lt;b&gt;precisely to kill government funded projects like this&lt;/b&gt;. If we kill HSR because of the budget problem we are doing exactly what folks like Ashburn and Tom McClintock want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, you&#8217;re either not reading what I&#8217;ve written or are being willfully misleading. The state budget problems are caused by people like Roy Ashburn who refuse to do their Constitutionally mandated duty and provide the state with a balanced budget by June 15.</p>
<p>The budget deficit is not difficult to close from a policy standpoint. Or even from a political standpoint. The problem is the 2/3 rule and the Republican obstructionists.</p>
<p>Away from the fight on Prop 1A we are working VERY hard to resolve that problem. A measure will be on the special election ballot in the spring to eliminate the 2/3 rule. Dems are close to winning a 2/3 majority in the Legislature in just over a week&#8217;s time.</p>
<p>In any case, the budget deficit is not a permanent feature of life here. It is a problem deliberately created by Republicans <b>precisely to kill government funded projects like this</b>. If we kill HSR because of the budget problem we are doing exactly what folks like Ashburn and Tom McClintock want.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Lack of the required business plan just proves what a FRAUD this whole mess has become.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I disagree.  This is the fallacy of perfect being the enemy of good enough.  Yes, the lack of an updated business plan is a negative.  Don&#039;t believe me?  Then who here would claim delivery of an updated business plan would not be a positive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Lack of the required business plan just proves what a FRAUD this whole mess has become.</i></p>
<p>I disagree.  This is the fallacy of perfect being the enemy of good enough.  Yes, the lack of an updated business plan is a negative.  Don&#8217;t believe me?  Then who here would claim delivery of an updated business plan would not be a positive?</p>
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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much of the information that would go into the business plan is already on the authority&#039;s web site.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They pretty much explain everything in the FAQs section. Why they chose Pacheco over Altamont, how many people will ride the trains, how fast it would be, etc. If you don&#039;t accept that info, you won&#039;t accept the business plan.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The business plan will still be incomplete by your standards. It won&#039;t tell you &lt;i&gt;how&lt;/i&gt; they are going to build the system in Menlo Park. It won&#039;t tell you how they intend to get over Tehachapi. It&#039;s too early in the game to know these things. I don&#039;t think you even want a business plan. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Again, voting yes on this bond measure is telling State of California that the Authority needs to be properly funded in order to carry out the process of designing and building a high speed train. I would not expect them to know everything about this complex project at this point.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m sure when more extensive engineering and design work is done (after the bond measure passes of course), they&#039;ll find problems, and discover solutions. Costs will go up, sure. After all, this isn&#039;t the 1800s where you can round up Chinese people and tell them to build a railroad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of the information that would go into the business plan is already on the authority&#8217;s web site.</p>
<p>They pretty much explain everything in the FAQs section. Why they chose Pacheco over Altamont, how many people will ride the trains, how fast it would be, etc. If you don&#8217;t accept that info, you won&#8217;t accept the business plan.</p>
<p>The business plan will still be incomplete by your standards. It won&#8217;t tell you <i>how</i> they are going to build the system in Menlo Park. It won&#8217;t tell you how they intend to get over Tehachapi. It&#8217;s too early in the game to know these things. I don&#8217;t think you even want a business plan. </p>
<p>Again, voting yes on this bond measure is telling State of California that the Authority needs to be properly funded in order to carry out the process of designing and building a high speed train. I would not expect them to know everything about this complex project at this point.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure when more extensive engineering and design work is done (after the bond measure passes of course), they&#8217;ll find problems, and discover solutions. Costs will go up, sure. After all, this isn&#8217;t the 1800s where you can round up Chinese people and tell them to build a railroad.</p>
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