I know the election is over, and decisions are already made, but I just wanted to ease your fears about the passing of this project.

1: Lots of people go from LA to SF all the time. Intercity travel in CA is just limited because there is hardly an alternative to flying or driving. The Coast Starlight train takes forever because of the delays and it has to stop for freight trains to pass. Traveling on HSR as opposed to driving or flying would be a no-brainer. Cheaper AND faster. We NEED a decent inter-city rail connection. Our airports are PACKED!

2: The train would also have non-express service trains which have stops. This would help relieve congestion inside the cities themselves, and also the stations would be built in the city centers (LA Union Station for example) and connect with existing local transit systems.

3: Future autos will be greener and more efficient in the future, but that still won’t help relieve congestion, and the freeway speed limit is 65, while the train would go up to 220 mph. Also, consider how many auto accidents will be prevented from taking cars off the road. You’re far safer in a train than on the road. The HSR would have nothing less than the most advanced safety technology in the world.

4: It’s expensive, but it’s half the cost of airport and highway expansion to meet future travel demands. Plus it would save money in the long run by reducing our dependence on oil, and you could travel at a fraction of the price of auto and plane travel. It’ll generate massive profits and create hundreds of thousands of jobs to boost the economy. We’ll more than make up for the cost.

5: Construction is only temporary, and think of the long term benefits.

6: There would be a number of non-stop trains which travel directly from LA to SF.

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1) I can’t imagine that 90 mln/annually would ride it. Anyone have statistics on how many SF/LA trips are made annually at the present moment? I really don’t think the ridership numbers are realistic.

2) And what do the riders do when they get to LA or SF? Get into rental cars and sit in traffic? Take expensive cabs and sit in traffic? The point is that the train doesn’t address getting around in either city–this adds a considerable amount of time to the round trip. True, the trains will take cars off I-5, in the actual cities I don’t think traffic in either urban center would be ameliorated whatsoever. But people seem to be making this argument frequently (cars off the road!).

3) And who knows what kind of technology will be in our cars in 2020 or 2025 or whenever the project is completed? Will the train be the greenest and most efficient then?

4) Putting $19.4 billion into this project (and this is only the first payment), makes it impossible to fund other statewide projects (and not only transportation projects) over the next however many years. It’s a lot of eggs to put into one transportation basket.

5) Having lived in Menlo Park for one year (in fact one block from the Caltrain), I can attest that the proposed path for the track will be a huge eyesore for the city during the construction phase and a huge noise population problem when you have high-speed trains zipping through. This is why Menlo Park (and other towns in the Bay Area) is suing the state. I think the environmental/other local concerns have been ignored here.

6) What’s a true realistic travel time between LA and SF? Does anyone have a good idea? You can’t just divide the distance between the city by maximum speed. There is a considerable acceleration period and remember that every additional stop requires deceleration and subsequent acceleration.

7) I think trains are so popular in Europe because their cities have great public transportation. It’s really not a problem to not have a car with you. But in America we all know it’s different. Distances are completely different. Population destiny here is much, much sparser. Our public transportation is rather minimal. In order for the train to work, we’ll need significant investment in public transportation infrastructure and I don’t see where the money will come from (see #4).

I know these are a lot of concerns, but then again it’s a lot of money to invest. I really don’t feel comfortable voting for the bill with all these question marks floating around in my head. Please convince me otherwise–I’m all for energy conservation, renewable sources, etc., etc., but I feel I can’t vote for this bill

You quote a price of $29 from Boston to Providence. That trip is about 40 minutes. There is a commuter rail train that takes maybe 10 minutes longer and costs in the neighborhood of 8 dollars.

I used to regularly take the acela from NYC to Providence on Friday after work and that trip does cost about 100 bux. This was an absurd price, especially given that the 180 mile trip took 3 hours for a high speed average of a lousy 60mph. That being said, at 6pm on a Friday, it was better to do that than spend 5 hours on a bus for 30 bux. Ahh, the price of the long distance relationship. :)

So, the point is, I think the article you cited was talking about a more meaningful trip. i.e., between one of the 4 main stops on Acela: NYC, Philly, D.C. and Boston.

“Half baked??? He’s not even near the oven.”

About the induced ridership: this only means lots of cash in the economy for meals, hotels and bar tabs when we go visit our friends and family more frequently. The multiplier effect – the money we spend at dinner gives the restaurant, the cook and the waiter more cash in their pockets, which they then spend in shops and restaurants which in turn … you get the idea – makes this sort of induced demand a really huge deal.

Don’t be shy about de-bunking your friends “indecisiveness” on Prop 1A. A lot of people don’t know or understand it. I brought it up at a recent company happy hour and ended up informing the eight people around me for about a half hour. An excellent line of conversation to bring up to get away from the Palin distraction.

THE rest of us here in California look forward to joing the rest of the 1st world countries